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Chu: Online directories do not need listing images to rank in search
“And I think you don't even need images for a directory to rank and get traffic.”
Chu: LLMs dominate discovery, but directories capture high-stakes decision-making
“What I think ChatGPT perplexity and all these other LLMs do really well is they help you discover things or get more information on the thing. But by the time someone's on a directory, I think they're in the decision-making phase and with any more complex deci…”
Chu: Lead Generation Businesses Will Never Go Away
“I don't think lead generation as a business is ever going to go away.”
Chu: Simple static pillar page directories can reach $2K–$10K MRR
“Again, very, very basic level one of directories, but amazing if you just want to dip your feet in, in the water and you know, get to, I would say like two to two to 10 K in MRR is definitely possible.”
Frey Chu: Pairing directories with vertical SaaS or agencies is highly effective
“I still believe that building a directory and creating a micro SAS or vertical SAS is a super solid way to go about it. And with cloud code, it's never been easier. But the agency directory combo is a potent one and I see it all the time. Some of the biggest d…”
Chu: APlaceForMom.com likely generates around $50 million in annual revenue
“My gut tells me like fifty million dollars a year is probably right where I feel like it's more, more accurate.”
Chu: APlaceForMom.com takes first month's rent or fixed fees for referrals
“And they basically have all of these kind of sneaky ways to collect information and then pass them off to these senior living homes where they collect a portion of the first month's rent or like a fixed fee for every referral that they give.”
Chu: Data and SEO backlinks are the primary moats for online directories
“I would say for directories, the moat is definitely data and your SEO, like, if you have really strong backlinks.”
Chu: Single-pass LLM data enrichment fails compared to sequential data extraction
“And one of the first mistakes that I did when I started enriching my data with Crawford AI was I would just give it this massive laundry list of things to get. And just gave it like a massive CSV. And I was like, get the trailer inventory, get the images, get …”
Chu: Targeting dealbreaker long-tail features is the best directory SEO strategy
“And I think this kind of idea works well because for the people looking for this, like if they don't assist with dementia, that's a deal breaker. So what are like the deal breaker features that people make decisions off of? And how can we create like very spec…”
Chu: Avoid building directories if you need revenue within six months
“If your timeline is To make money in less than six months, I would not build a directory.”
Chu: Avoid product-based niches when building directories due to heavy competition
“This is the reason why when I build directories, I don't choose product-based niches because it's way harder. You're just competing with so much other content and like socials and all this other stuff.”
Chu: Atlas Obscura shows little effect from Google core updates
“Also noticing very little to no effect from the Google core updates.”
Chu estimates Atlas Obscura earns $50k to $60k monthly from AdSense
“If I were to guess how much this is making, I think a really conservative guess just from AdSense is around 30,000 dollars a month, but I really think it's probably closer to 50 or 60.”
Chu estimates FindAGrave.com makes $60,000 to $70,000 monthly
“This is, I'm going to put this, I think this could be a 100,000 dollar a month website, but I think, you know, 60, 70 K like is a very fair estimate here.”
Chu: Avoid branded 'near me' keywords because search intent is one-dimensional
“People looking for Taco Bell near me in Google aren't looking for different types of Taco Bell. There's like very one dimensional search intent, and that's not what I'm looking for.”
Chu: Ahrefs keyword difficulty scores under 20 are easy but often misleading
“I think anything under 20 is pretty easy, in my opinion. I think keyword difficulty is a little bit misleading too, because there are some very low keyword difficulty niches. And I'll give you a quick example. It says that, you know, fast food near me is a key…”
Chu ranked KD 70 directory keywords on Google's first page in two months
“I've had some like programmatic directories that I've built where I've targeted keyword difficulty, 70 keywords that are getting 60,000 monthly visitors. And I've created like on a fresh domain, I was able to rank on the first page in like two months for some …”
Chu: Traffic to basic directories shows Google Maps fails user needs
“Pretty unhelpful, yet people are going to websites like this, and it just shows you that Google Maps is not satisfying everyone's needs.”
Chu: Filtering raw scraped data directly with ChatGPT removes good listings
“I've noticed that it can get rid of a lot of the good quality listings if you
Just go straight into ChatGBT and have it remove what it doesn't think a dog park is, if that makes sense.”
Chu: Deep data enrichment drives repeat traffic to niche directory websites
“There are some opportunities, even with the most dominant dog park directories where I'm like, yeah, this data enrichment is going to be what sets me apart. And it's going to be what brings people back to the website because I went so deep to list all this inf…”
Chu: Location category pages drive most directory SEO traffic, not listings
“All of their most traffic pages are the location pages. So dog friendly restaurant, New York. Pet friendly hotels in Dallas. It's not necessarily the actual listings that are getting traffic.”
Chu: Acquiring valuable data is the hardest part of building AI directories
“Yeah, by the end, I really want people to have a solid understanding of how to use cloud code to build AI coded directories with an emphasis on what I think is the hardest part, which is getting the valuable data.”
Frey Chu: Parting.com generates over $1M annually and raised $1.5M
“This is reported due over a million dollars a year in revenue. There's some quotes that go up to five million dollars, but they even raised money. They raised 1.5 million dollars in 2021.”
Chu: Unfinished porta-potty directory generated a $20,000+ New Mexico State Fair lead
“And then this is the big one. I got a lead from the New Mexico State Fair. This is the order that they wanted. And this is like 20,000 dollars plus of porta potty slash luxury restroom trailers that they wanted.”
Chu: Built luxury restroom directory in 4 days for under $250
“I mean, I built this in four days. Like I mentioned, I probably saved over 2000 hours in what would have been manual data cleaning, manual data enrichment, also record low costs. I mean, I would have to hire a developer to like write custom Python scripts befo…”
Chu: Outscraper is the cheapest option for scraping Google Maps data
“I just went straight to outscraper. I don't think. There's nothing new here. I went over this in the last pod, but Altscraper is still the cheapest option for me. I've used Appify and other kind of alternatives, but just keep it simple. I think Altscraper is a…”
Chu: Crawl4AI is a free open-source crawler for LLMs
“This is an open source LLM friendly web crawler and scraper totally free, which is insane.”
Chu: Claude Code filtered 20,000 sites to 725 listings in three hours
“And then it just ran in the background for three hours. And this is really what would have taken me like a thousand hours just a couple of years back. So the result was. 20,000 websites down to 725 luxury restroom trailers.”
Chu: Claude Vision verified 700 image listings for $30 in one hour
“This cost about 30 dollars. All I had to do was go to Claude and connect my API key. Super simple. And this is the prompt that I used. I let this run overnight, but yeah, this took probably about an hour or so for 700 listings.”
Chu: Zero-backlink tap water directory reached 40,000 monthly visitors in months
“This guy named Andy in our community, but a tap water quality directory, no backlinks started it back in, I want to say November and he's getting over 40,000 monthly visitors got accepted into the media vine selling like water filters through Amazon affiliate.”
Chu: First directory generates $2,300 monthly with 15 minutes of maintenance
“At least for my first directory website, it's been monetizing for 18 months straight. It's it takes me, you know, about 15 minutes a month to maintain, so it's evergreen and location based which is my favorite kind of directory to build. Last month I think it …”
Chu: Target 30k to 100k monthly searches for niche directory keywords
“My sweet spot is actually around 30 to a 100,000 monthly searches.”
Chu: Pet DNA kit startup exited for $90M on $3M-$4M revenue
“They, I think we're only doing like three or four million in revenue, but they got acquired for like ninety million.”
Chu: Luxury restroom trailer rentals cost $1,000 to $2,000 per day
“People are spending a thousand dollars, 2000 dollars a day renting these out for their weddings.”
Chu: Initial Claude Code prompt filtered 71,000 listings down to 20,000
“And so this simple prompt got me from 71 K down to 20,000 listings.”
Chu estimates RoadsideAmerica makes $5K to $7K monthly from ads
“If I were to guess how much this is making, I would probably conservatively say five to 7000 a month. Very passively because of the display ads.”
Chu: 'Dog park near me' has 73k monthly searches and 27 keyword difficulty
“Dog park near me. This is one that I found using that exact same method and get 73,000 monthly visitors or searches, I should say, and not too difficult at 27 out of a hundred in terms of keyword difficulty.”