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Jul 21, 2025 · 38m · startup-ideas

5 NEW Tools from Google AI to make money/be productive (INSANITY)

Josh Woodward · 26m spoken Greg Isenberg · 9m spoken
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In this episode, host Greg Isenberg and Google AI leader Josh Woodward explore Google's latest AI ecosystem through five hands-on demonstrations covering Gemini 2.5 Pro, Veo 3 video generation, Flow filmmaking, NotebookLM, Stitch UI design, and Project Mariner autonomous browser agents.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Greg holds 26.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Greg as informed peer 3.0 Guest teaching 3.5 Guest disagreement 0.2 Greg pushing back 0.3
05100:0010:0020:0030:000:51–5:46 · Greg as informed peer 2/10 Overview of Today's Demos and Frontier AI Greg sets up the interview as an exploratory demo session and asks how solopreneurs can apply Gemini features. Josh walks through model thinking, interactive quizzes, and automated morning digests.5:47–13:53 · Greg as informed peer 3/10 Promotional Segment: IdeaBrowser.com Greg promotes his startup IdeaBrowser and asks to generate a video ad using Google's Veo 3 model. Josh demonstrates rapid video generation with audio, reference images, and personal context integration.13:53–21:13 · Greg as informed peer 3/10 Flow: AI Filmmaking, Flow TV, and Scene Stitching Josh demonstrates Flow, Google's AI filmmaking tool, showing how scenes can be remixed, extended with prompts, and controlled with camera movements. Greg reflects on how individual creators can now compete with big studios.21:13–26:44 · Greg as informed peer 3/10 NotebookLM: Source Discovery, Mind Maps, and Knowledge Sharing Josh shows advanced features in NotebookLM including automated source discovery and interactive mind maps. Greg shares his personal workflow of using audio overviews to research potential business acquisitions.26:44–31:03 · Greg as informed peer 4/10 Stitch: Rapid UI/UX Design to Code and Figma Export Josh introduces Stitch, demonstrating how natural language descriptions generate live UI code and editable Figma files. Greg probes on what makes Stitch stand out among vibe coding tools and notes the limitations of pure chat interfaces.31:03–37:50 · Greg as informed peer 3/10 Project Mariner and Coding Agents: Autonomous Browser Automation Josh demonstrates Project Mariner navigating virtual browser instances autonomously and handling human-in-the-loop intervention. When Greg compares agents to interns, Josh gently reframes them as capable of superhuman tasks like automated bulk bug fixing.0:51–5:46 · Guest teaching 3/10 Overview of Today's Demos and Frontier AI Greg sets up the interview as an exploratory demo session and asks how solopreneurs can apply Gemini features. Josh walks through model thinking, interactive quizzes, and automated morning digests.5:47–13:53 · Guest teaching 3/10 Promotional Segment: IdeaBrowser.com Greg promotes his startup IdeaBrowser and asks to generate a video ad using Google's Veo 3 model. Josh demonstrates rapid video generation with audio, reference images, and personal context integration.13:53–21:13 · Guest teaching 4/10 Flow: AI Filmmaking, Flow TV, and Scene Stitching Josh demonstrates Flow, Google's AI filmmaking tool, showing how scenes can be remixed, extended with prompts, and controlled with camera movements. Greg reflects on how individual creators can now compete with big studios.21:13–26:44 · Guest teaching 4/10 NotebookLM: Source Discovery, Mind Maps, and Knowledge Sharing Josh shows advanced features in NotebookLM including automated source discovery and interactive mind maps. Greg shares his personal workflow of using audio overviews to research potential business acquisitions.26:44–31:03 · Guest teaching 3/10 Stitch: Rapid UI/UX Design to Code and Figma Export Josh introduces Stitch, demonstrating how natural language descriptions generate live UI code and editable Figma files. Greg probes on what makes Stitch stand out among vibe coding tools and notes the limitations of pure chat interfaces.31:03–37:50 · Guest teaching 4/10 Project Mariner and Coding Agents: Autonomous Browser Automation Josh demonstrates Project Mariner navigating virtual browser instances autonomously and handling human-in-the-loop intervention. When Greg compares agents to interns, Josh gently reframes them as capable of superhuman tasks like automated bulk bug fixing.0:51–5:46 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Overview of Today's Demos and Frontier AI Greg sets up the interview as an exploratory demo session and asks how solopreneurs can apply Gemini features. Josh walks through model thinking, interactive quizzes, and automated morning digests.5:47–13:53 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Promotional Segment: IdeaBrowser.com Greg promotes his startup IdeaBrowser and asks to generate a video ad using Google's Veo 3 model. Josh demonstrates rapid video generation with audio, reference images, and personal context integration.13:53–21:13 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Flow: AI Filmmaking, Flow TV, and Scene Stitching Josh demonstrates Flow, Google's AI filmmaking tool, showing how scenes can be remixed, extended with prompts, and controlled with camera movements. Greg reflects on how individual creators can now compete with big studios.21:13–26:44 · Guest disagreement 0/10 NotebookLM: Source Discovery, Mind Maps, and Knowledge Sharing Josh shows advanced features in NotebookLM including automated source discovery and interactive mind maps. Greg shares his personal workflow of using audio overviews to research potential business acquisitions.26:44–31:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Stitch: Rapid UI/UX Design to Code and Figma Export Josh introduces Stitch, demonstrating how natural language descriptions generate live UI code and editable Figma files. Greg probes on what makes Stitch stand out among vibe coding tools and notes the limitations of pure chat interfaces.31:03–37:50 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Project Mariner and Coding Agents: Autonomous Browser Automation Josh demonstrates Project Mariner navigating virtual browser instances autonomously and handling human-in-the-loop intervention. When Greg compares agents to interns, Josh gently reframes them as capable of superhuman tasks like automated bulk bug fixing.0:51–5:46 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Overview of Today's Demos and Frontier AI Greg sets up the interview as an exploratory demo session and asks how solopreneurs can apply Gemini features. Josh walks through model thinking, interactive quizzes, and automated morning digests.5:47–13:53 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Promotional Segment: IdeaBrowser.com Greg promotes his startup IdeaBrowser and asks to generate a video ad using Google's Veo 3 model. Josh demonstrates rapid video generation with audio, reference images, and personal context integration.13:53–21:13 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Flow: AI Filmmaking, Flow TV, and Scene Stitching Josh demonstrates Flow, Google's AI filmmaking tool, showing how scenes can be remixed, extended with prompts, and controlled with camera movements. Greg reflects on how individual creators can now compete with big studios.21:13–26:44 · Greg pushing back 0/10 NotebookLM: Source Discovery, Mind Maps, and Knowledge Sharing Josh shows advanced features in NotebookLM including automated source discovery and interactive mind maps. Greg shares his personal workflow of using audio overviews to research potential business acquisitions.26:44–31:03 · Greg pushing back 1/10 Stitch: Rapid UI/UX Design to Code and Figma Export Josh introduces Stitch, demonstrating how natural language descriptions generate live UI code and editable Figma files. Greg probes on what makes Stitch stand out among vibe coding tools and notes the limitations of pure chat interfaces.31:03–37:50 · Greg pushing back 1/10 Project Mariner and Coding Agents: Autonomous Browser Automation Josh demonstrates Project Mariner navigating virtual browser instances autonomously and handling human-in-the-loop intervention. When Greg compares agents to interns, Josh gently reframes them as capable of superhuman tasks like automated bulk bug fixing.

speaking balance: gold is Greg, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Greg 48.1% · guest 51.9%0:00 · Greg 48.1% · guest 51.9%3:00 · Greg 19.5% · guest 80.5%3:00 · Greg 19.5% · guest 80.5%6:00 · Greg 59.2% · guest 40.8%6:00 · Greg 59.2% · guest 40.8%9:00 · Greg 32.7% · guest 67.3%9:00 · Greg 32.7% · guest 67.3%12:00 · Greg 33.5% · guest 66.5%12:00 · Greg 33.5% · guest 66.5%15:00 · Greg 5.2% · guest 94.8%15:00 · Greg 5.2% · guest 94.8%18:00 · Greg 31.8% · guest 68.2%18:00 · Greg 31.8% · guest 68.2%21:00 · Greg 0.1% · guest 99.9%21:00 · Greg 0.1% · guest 99.9%24:00 · Greg 42.7% · guest 57.3%24:00 · Greg 42.7% · guest 57.3%27:00 · Greg 11.8% · guest 88.2%27:00 · Greg 11.8% · guest 88.2%30:00 · Greg 17.7% · guest 82.3%30:00 · Greg 17.7% · guest 82.3%33:00 · Greg 0% · guest 100%33:00 · Greg 0% · guest 100%36:00 · Greg 39.5% · guest 60.5%36:00 · Greg 39.5% · guest 60.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 36:05 Pushing back on the intern comparison

Josh gently pushes back against Greg's characterization that agents are like spinning up interns, arguing that agents accomplish tasks beyond human capability such as resolving 30 bugs in a minute.

 Hardest push from Greg ▶ 28:54 Probing Stitch's killer differentiator

Greg directly challenges Josh to specify the single killer feature that differentiates Stitch from existing vibe coding competitors.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 37:05 Explaining autonomous agents and trust boundaries

Josh educates Greg on the architecture of autonomous browser agents, explaining how virtual machines and transparent logging handle authentication roadblocks safely.

 Greg holds their own ▶ 29:53 Critiquing chat-only AI interfaces

Greg offers an insightful design critique, explaining that chat has become an overwhelming default interface for AI and that GUI controls and buttons provide a superior workflow.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicGreg as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementGreg pushing backWhy
Overview of Today's Demos and Frontier AI 2300 Greg sets up the interview as an exploratory demo session and asks how solopreneurs can apply Gemini features. Josh walks through model thinking, interactive quizzes, and automated morning digests.
Promotional Segment: IdeaBrowser.com 3300 Greg promotes his startup IdeaBrowser and asks to generate a video ad using Google's Veo 3 model. Josh demonstrates rapid video generation with audio, reference images, and personal context integration.
Flow: AI Filmmaking, Flow TV, and Scene Stitching 3400 Josh demonstrates Flow, Google's AI filmmaking tool, showing how scenes can be remixed, extended with prompts, and controlled with camera movements. Greg reflects on how individual creators can now compete with big studios.
NotebookLM: Source Discovery, Mind Maps, and Knowledge Sharing 3400 Josh shows advanced features in NotebookLM including automated source discovery and interactive mind maps. Greg shares his personal workflow of using audio overviews to research potential business acquisitions.
Stitch: Rapid UI/UX Design to Code and Figma Export 4301 Josh introduces Stitch, demonstrating how natural language descriptions generate live UI code and editable Figma files. Greg probes on what makes Stitch stand out among vibe coding tools and notes the limitations of pure chat interfaces.
Project Mariner and Coding Agents: Autonomous Browser Automation 3411 Josh demonstrates Project Mariner navigating virtual browser instances autonomously and handling human-in-the-loop intervention. When Greg compares agents to interns, Josh gently reframes them as capable of superhuman tasks like automated bulk bug fixing.

Statements from this episode (9)

Assertion Supported
Woodward: Google's Veo 3 adds sound to AI video generation
“Today's announcement is actually the ability to take this VO three model, which is unbelievable because it has incredible realism and physics and everything on the visual side, but it also adds sound. And so you can create these videos. They're 8:02 clips, sev…”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 7:00
Insight
Isenberg: App and Web Users Prefer Video Over Reading Text
“People don't want to read anymore. So if you're designing a website, if you're building apps and stuff like that, you know, they're used to Instagram stories. They're used to just consuming YouTube. They're used to consuming video.”
Greg Isenberg Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 12:38
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Woodward: Flow and Veo achieve consistent characters across AI video scenes
“And what's amazing about flow and VO as a model is that we're starting to get to this point where you have consistent characters and scenes.”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 16:28
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Woodward: Creators have stitched up to an hour of video using Flow
“I think flow, you can think of it as really for folks who might have a longer duration project. They may want to do something over several minutes, or maybe we've seen people do up close to an hour of stitching things together.”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 19:47
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Woodward: Collaborative notebook sharing is driving major NotebookLM growth
“And what's been really cool is we've enabled a lot of sharing recently in the last couple of weeks. So people are creating notebooks and sharing them either with their friends or their colleagues at work or even in a class. And you're starting to get almost li…”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 24:30
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Woodward: Engineers Emerge as Key Users for Google's Stitch UI Tool
“We originally thought like, okay, who might like this? Maybe it's designers. Maybe it's PMs. Turns out engineers really like this tool because they can describe maybe a screen if it's like someone trying to start a company and they get like good base level of …”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 28:25
Disclosure
Woodward: Google AI Products Will Move Beyond Chat-Only Interfaces
“But I think across Stitch, across Flow, definitely across the Gemini app, you're going to see a lot more features like that photosynthesis example, where we're trying to get people into a more natural state. Chat is not always the most natural state for intera…”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 30:32
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Woodward: Future AI Interaction Will Center on Multi-Agent Dashboards, Not Chat
“These kind of dashboard interfaces are these bird's eye views of what's happening. To me, this feels like a glimpse of what's coming in the future where you're able to kind of manage and oversee and give different assignments.”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 35:46
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Woodward: Google's Jules Coding Agent Can Fix 30 Backlog Bugs Per Minute
“You can just put Jules on a GitHub backlog and it'll fix like 30 bugs in a minute.”
Josh Woodward Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 36:31
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