May 24, 2020 · 47m · neon-show

Anup Jain, Orios Venture Partners, on identifying the best founders & investing in Consumer Brands

Anup Jain · 37m spoken Siddhartha Ahluwalia · 5m spoken
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In this episode of the 100x Entrepreneur Podcast, Anup Jain, Managing Partner at Orios Venture Partners, discusses his journey from consumer brand executive to venture capitalist, detailing Orios' investment framework, portfolio case studies, and crisis navigation strategies.

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Siddhartha as informed peer 1.8 Guest teaching 2.3 Guest disagreement 0.2 Siddhartha pushing back 0.4
05100:0015:0030:0045:000:00–5:09 · Siddhartha as informed peer 1/10 Anup Jain's Career Journey and Transition to Venture Capital Siddharth introduces Anup and sets up an open-ended biographical question. Anup gives an extensive monologue detailing his corporate background and pivot to venture investing.5:10–7:59 · Siddhartha as informed peer 2/10 Orios Venture Partners' Investment Philosophy and Selection Framework Siddharth prompts Anup about Orios's investment philosophy by citing portfolio names. Anup breaks down their three core investment pillars and evaluation framework.8:00–11:54 · Siddhartha as informed peer 1/10 Key Portfolio Investments: BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network Siddharth asks about specific deals led by Anup since 2018. Anup provides detailed breakdowns of BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network.11:55–15:48 · Siddhartha as informed peer 2/10 Navigating the COVID-19 Crisis and Implementing Cash Preservation Siddharth frames the unprecedented nature of the COVID crisis compared to 2008 and the dot-com crash. Anup categorizes portfolio companies into positively and negatively impacted buckets and outlines cash preservation actions.15:49–21:37 · Siddhartha as informed peer 2/10 Misfits Accelerator Cohorts, Funding Pace, and Market Consolidation Siddharth asks exploratory questions regarding the Misfits accelerator pace and probes whether M&A is being pushed onto founders. Anup explains time allocation and clarifies their open stance on opportunistic consolidation.21:39–26:05 · Siddhartha as informed peer 2/10 Case Studies: PharmEasy's Supply Chain Thesis and Zostel's Recovery Siddharth asks about the origin story of PharmEasy and asks how hospitality-exposed companies like Zostel survive. Anup explains the broken pharma distribution value chain and outlines Zostel's survival path.26:06–34:17 · Siddhartha as informed peer 2/10 Post-COVID Tailwinds: Enterprise SaaS, Digital Consumer Shift, and EdTech Siddharth questions why Orios had stayed away from SaaS and EdTech. Anup reframes the premise by distinguishing past cross-border SaaS models from the emerging domestic enterprise subscription shift.34:18–37:34 · Siddhartha as informed peer 1/10 Personal Angel Investments, Global Exploration, and Culinary Passions Siddharth inquires about Anup's angel investing track record and personal interests. Anup shares his angel successes and failures as well as his culinary and travel hobbies.37:35–47:32 · Siddhartha as informed peer 3/10 The Operator Advantage in Venture Capital and Managing Cap Table Dilution Siddharth pushes Anup on whether being an outsider without a traditional finance background puts him at a disadvantage and asks if growth investors push aside seed VCs. Anup defends the operator advantage and explains why cap table dilution is natural and welcome.0:00–5:09 · Guest teaching 2/10 Anup Jain's Career Journey and Transition to Venture Capital Siddharth introduces Anup and sets up an open-ended biographical question. Anup gives an extensive monologue detailing his corporate background and pivot to venture investing.5:10–7:59 · Guest teaching 3/10 Orios Venture Partners' Investment Philosophy and Selection Framework Siddharth prompts Anup about Orios's investment philosophy by citing portfolio names. Anup breaks down their three core investment pillars and evaluation framework.8:00–11:54 · Guest teaching 2/10 Key Portfolio Investments: BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network Siddharth asks about specific deals led by Anup since 2018. Anup provides detailed breakdowns of BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network.11:55–15:48 · Guest teaching 2/10 Navigating the COVID-19 Crisis and Implementing Cash Preservation Siddharth frames the unprecedented nature of the COVID crisis compared to 2008 and the dot-com crash. Anup categorizes portfolio companies into positively and negatively impacted buckets and outlines cash preservation actions.15:49–21:37 · Guest teaching 1/10 Misfits Accelerator Cohorts, Funding Pace, and Market Consolidation Siddharth asks exploratory questions regarding the Misfits accelerator pace and probes whether M&A is being pushed onto founders. Anup explains time allocation and clarifies their open stance on opportunistic consolidation.21:39–26:05 · Guest teaching 3/10 Case Studies: PharmEasy's Supply Chain Thesis and Zostel's Recovery Siddharth asks about the origin story of PharmEasy and asks how hospitality-exposed companies like Zostel survive. Anup explains the broken pharma distribution value chain and outlines Zostel's survival path.26:06–34:17 · Guest teaching 4/10 Post-COVID Tailwinds: Enterprise SaaS, Digital Consumer Shift, and EdTech Siddharth questions why Orios had stayed away from SaaS and EdTech. Anup reframes the premise by distinguishing past cross-border SaaS models from the emerging domestic enterprise subscription shift.34:18–37:34 · Guest teaching 1/10 Personal Angel Investments, Global Exploration, and Culinary Passions Siddharth inquires about Anup's angel investing track record and personal interests. Anup shares his angel successes and failures as well as his culinary and travel hobbies.37:35–47:32 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Operator Advantage in Venture Capital and Managing Cap Table Dilution Siddharth pushes Anup on whether being an outsider without a traditional finance background puts him at a disadvantage and asks if growth investors push aside seed VCs. Anup defends the operator advantage and explains why cap table dilution is natural and welcome.0:00–5:09 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Anup Jain's Career Journey and Transition to Venture Capital Siddharth introduces Anup and sets up an open-ended biographical question. Anup gives an extensive monologue detailing his corporate background and pivot to venture investing.5:10–7:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Orios Venture Partners' Investment Philosophy and Selection Framework Siddharth prompts Anup about Orios's investment philosophy by citing portfolio names. Anup breaks down their three core investment pillars and evaluation framework.8:00–11:54 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Key Portfolio Investments: BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network Siddharth asks about specific deals led by Anup since 2018. Anup provides detailed breakdowns of BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network.11:55–15:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Navigating the COVID-19 Crisis and Implementing Cash Preservation Siddharth frames the unprecedented nature of the COVID crisis compared to 2008 and the dot-com crash. Anup categorizes portfolio companies into positively and negatively impacted buckets and outlines cash preservation actions.15:49–21:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Misfits Accelerator Cohorts, Funding Pace, and Market Consolidation Siddharth asks exploratory questions regarding the Misfits accelerator pace and probes whether M&A is being pushed onto founders. Anup explains time allocation and clarifies their open stance on opportunistic consolidation.21:39–26:05 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Case Studies: PharmEasy's Supply Chain Thesis and Zostel's Recovery Siddharth asks about the origin story of PharmEasy and asks how hospitality-exposed companies like Zostel survive. Anup explains the broken pharma distribution value chain and outlines Zostel's survival path.26:06–34:17 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Post-COVID Tailwinds: Enterprise SaaS, Digital Consumer Shift, and EdTech Siddharth questions why Orios had stayed away from SaaS and EdTech. Anup reframes the premise by distinguishing past cross-border SaaS models from the emerging domestic enterprise subscription shift.34:18–37:34 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Personal Angel Investments, Global Exploration, and Culinary Passions Siddharth inquires about Anup's angel investing track record and personal interests. Anup shares his angel successes and failures as well as his culinary and travel hobbies.37:35–47:32 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Operator Advantage in Venture Capital and Managing Cap Table Dilution Siddharth pushes Anup on whether being an outsider without a traditional finance background puts him at a disadvantage and asks if growth investors push aside seed VCs. Anup defends the operator advantage and explains why cap table dilution is natural and welcome.0:00–5:09 · Siddhartha pushing back 0/10 Anup Jain's Career Journey and Transition to Venture Capital Siddharth introduces Anup and sets up an open-ended biographical question. Anup gives an extensive monologue detailing his corporate background and pivot to venture investing.5:10–7:59 · Siddhartha pushing back 0/10 Orios Venture Partners' Investment Philosophy and Selection Framework Siddharth prompts Anup about Orios's investment philosophy by citing portfolio names. Anup breaks down their three core investment pillars and evaluation framework.8:00–11:54 · Siddhartha pushing back 0/10 Key Portfolio Investments: BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network Siddharth asks about specific deals led by Anup since 2018. Anup provides detailed breakdowns of BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network.11:55–15:48 · Siddhartha pushing back 0/10 Navigating the COVID-19 Crisis and Implementing Cash Preservation Siddharth frames the unprecedented nature of the COVID crisis compared to 2008 and the dot-com crash. Anup categorizes portfolio companies into positively and negatively impacted buckets and outlines cash preservation actions.15:49–21:37 · Siddhartha pushing back 1/10 Misfits Accelerator Cohorts, Funding Pace, and Market Consolidation Siddharth asks exploratory questions regarding the Misfits accelerator pace and probes whether M&A is being pushed onto founders. Anup explains time allocation and clarifies their open stance on opportunistic consolidation.21:39–26:05 · Siddhartha pushing back 0/10 Case Studies: PharmEasy's Supply Chain Thesis and Zostel's Recovery Siddharth asks about the origin story of PharmEasy and asks how hospitality-exposed companies like Zostel survive. Anup explains the broken pharma distribution value chain and outlines Zostel's survival path.26:06–34:17 · Siddhartha pushing back 1/10 Post-COVID Tailwinds: Enterprise SaaS, Digital Consumer Shift, and EdTech Siddharth questions why Orios had stayed away from SaaS and EdTech. Anup reframes the premise by distinguishing past cross-border SaaS models from the emerging domestic enterprise subscription shift.34:18–37:34 · Siddhartha pushing back 0/10 Personal Angel Investments, Global Exploration, and Culinary Passions Siddharth inquires about Anup's angel investing track record and personal interests. Anup shares his angel successes and failures as well as his culinary and travel hobbies.37:35–47:32 · Siddhartha pushing back 2/10 The Operator Advantage in Venture Capital and Managing Cap Table Dilution Siddharth pushes Anup on whether being an outsider without a traditional finance background puts him at a disadvantage and asks if growth investors push aside seed VCs. Anup defends the operator advantage and explains why cap table dilution is natural and welcome.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 45:15 Defending operator VCs against spreadsheet investors

Anup pushes back against the traditional investor mold, arguing that career spreadsheet analysts lack the tier-3/4 on-the-ground operational reality necessary to properly mentor founders.

Hardest push from Siddhartha ▶ 44:54 Challenging seed fund power dynamics at later stages

Siddharth directly challenges Anup on whether large growth funds squeeze out early-stage investors on cap tables during mega-rounds.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 29:42 Deconstructing India SaaS and subscription shift

Anup explains why early SaaS was purely cross-border arbitrage and why COVID created the inflection point enabling domestic paid SaaS.

Siddhartha holds their own ▶ 43:00 Identifying entrepreneur empathy in early-stage investing

Siddharth draws on his perspective as an entrepreneur to articulate how operator-led investors connect more deeply with early-stage founders missing projections.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicSiddhartha as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementSiddhartha pushing backWhy
Anup Jain's Career Journey and Transition to Venture Capital 1200 Siddharth introduces Anup and sets up an open-ended biographical question. Anup gives an extensive monologue detailing his corporate background and pivot to venture investing.
Orios Venture Partners' Investment Philosophy and Selection Framework 2300 Siddharth prompts Anup about Orios's investment philosophy by citing portfolio names. Anup breaks down their three core investment pillars and evaluation framework.
Key Portfolio Investments: BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network 1200 Siddharth asks about specific deals led by Anup since 2018. Anup provides detailed breakdowns of BeatO, MoneyOnClick, and Gully Network.
Navigating the COVID-19 Crisis and Implementing Cash Preservation 2200 Siddharth frames the unprecedented nature of the COVID crisis compared to 2008 and the dot-com crash. Anup categorizes portfolio companies into positively and negatively impacted buckets and outlines cash preservation actions.
Misfits Accelerator Cohorts, Funding Pace, and Market Consolidation 2101 Siddharth asks exploratory questions regarding the Misfits accelerator pace and probes whether M&A is being pushed onto founders. Anup explains time allocation and clarifies their open stance on opportunistic consolidation.
Case Studies: PharmEasy's Supply Chain Thesis and Zostel's Recovery 2300 Siddharth asks about the origin story of PharmEasy and asks how hospitality-exposed companies like Zostel survive. Anup explains the broken pharma distribution value chain and outlines Zostel's survival path.
Post-COVID Tailwinds: Enterprise SaaS, Digital Consumer Shift, and EdTech 2411 Siddharth questions why Orios had stayed away from SaaS and EdTech. Anup reframes the premise by distinguishing past cross-border SaaS models from the emerging domestic enterprise subscription shift.
Personal Angel Investments, Global Exploration, and Culinary Passions 1100 Siddharth inquires about Anup's angel investing track record and personal interests. Anup shares his angel successes and failures as well as his culinary and travel hobbies.
The Operator Advantage in Venture Capital and Managing Cap Table Dilution 3312 Siddharth pushes Anup on whether being an outsider without a traditional finance background puts him at a disadvantage and asks if growth investors push aside seed VCs. Anup defends the operator advantage and explains why cap table dilution is natural and welcome.

Statements from this episode (8)

Assertion Supported
Indian grocery retail is a market worth nearly $500 billion
“Grocery retail is one of the largest segments of retail in the country almost five hundred billion dollars.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 9:53
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Gully Network reached 22 stores in Bangalore and achieved product-market fit
“They already have 22 stores in Bangalore. I would say they've achieved product market fit.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 11:29
Disclosure
MoneyOnClick immediately halted loan disbursements during COVID-19 to evaluate portfolio risk
“So what they especially started to do was stop the dispersals immediately and started taking a very careful look at their existing portfolio of borrowers and stayed in touch with them to work out and figure out as to what was the risk on that portfolio for fut…”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 14:14
Disclosure
Nearly all Orios Venture Partners founders took salary cuts during COVID-19
“Nearly all our companies, the founders have taken salary cuts. They have also asked their teams to take cuts wherever necessary. You know, non-essential expenditure has been completely curbed.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 14:47
Disclosure
Some Orios portfolio companies moved 30% of their workforce permanently remote
“Some of the companies have even taken calls of reducing their office space and moving 20 to 30% of their employees permanently on a work from home basis.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 15:28
Assertion Supported
Indian medicine margins exceed 65% with value captured by unorganized middlemen
“The actual cost or the margins of the product, which is a medicine was extremely high upwards of, you know, 75, 65, 75%. And a large part of that value was being cornered by the unorganized players of stock is distributors and various middlemen.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 23:08
Disclosure
Orios Venture Partners avoided SaaS investments due to overseas due diligence challenges
“We have tended to sort of stay away from SaaS businesses in the past because we couldn't you know do due diligence on customers overseas. And therefore we kind of stayed away from that. We felt that it was too early in that space.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 30:11
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Indian enterprises will become increasingly willing to pay SaaS subscription fees
“So I think in the coming years businesses of all types will be very amenable in India to paying a SAS company subscription fee for using their product.”
Anup Jain May 24, 2020 ▶ 31:10
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