Apr 20, 2026 · 15m · mixergy
#2303 Convos: Instant OpenClaw on your phone
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In this demonstration and interview, Convos creator Shane Mac showcases how his platform enables mobile users to deploy, customize, and orchestrate autonomous AI agents. The episode illustrates practical workflows ranging from screenshot-based app cloning and custom coaching to multi-user group logistics and proactive web intelligence gathering.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Andrew holds 27.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
speaking balance: gold is Andrew, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Shane pushes back against Andrew's premise of Convos building individual integrations, emphasizing that the builder ecosystem and open SDK should handle connections instead.
Hardest push from Andrew ▶ 5:45 Questioning app switching behaviorAndrew interrupts the demo flow to directly interrogate why Shane is flipping back and forth between different app interfaces on screen.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:13 Educating on private agent-to-agent side convosShane provides a clear breakdown of why personal agents must negotiate in private side chats to coordinate schedules without leaking full calendar workspaces.
Andrew holds their own ▶ 13:30 Advising platform architecture via Zapier SDKAndrew steps in with strategic architectural advice, suggesting the team adopt the Zapier SDK rather than building individual native app integrations.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Andrew as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Andrew pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Instant Agent Deployment and Provisioning in Convos | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | Andrew guides the visual demo, prompting Shane to prove agent capabilities and clone Cal AI from a screenshot. Shane explains the background provisioning process and skill compilation. | |
| Customizing 'Kai' Fitness Coach and Investor Backing | 4 | 3 | 0 | 2 | Shane details creating a personalized coach named Kai from chat logs and demos Laird for group wake surfing logistics. Andrew presses briefly on investor pedigree and asks why Shane is switching between app environments. | |
| Proactive Information Monitoring with 'Radar' | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Shane explains his Radar setup that aggregates venue dates, songwriter blogs, and Patrick Collison's recommended links. Andrew listens and summarizes the proactive push alert mechanism. | |
| Personal Relationship and Itinerary Assistant | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Shane showcases a shared relationship itinerary assistant before Andrew pivots to future integrations and actively pitches using Zapier's SDK to handle third-party connections. Shane clarifies Convos Connect will remain an open SDK layer. | |
| Agent-to-Agent Autonomous Coordination and Privacy | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Andrew prompts Shane on why agents need private agent-to-agent communication. Shane illustrates how programmable side convos negotiate schedules without exposing private workspace data. |