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Dan Roberts: AI scaling requires novel algorithms, not just pure compute

Dan Roberts · OpenAI's Dan Roberts: Why AI Can Now Make Discoveries · Jun 4, 2026 · at 31:56

Dan Roberts leads OpenAI's Foundations of Reinforcement Learning team. He is providing a counter-perspective on Rich Sutton's 'Bitter Lesson' philosophy in AI.

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“It's not that scale is all you need. You need to also have good ideas to guide the scaling.”

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