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Turck: Many fast-growing AI startups operate at a unit loss

Matt Turck · AI Engineering Revolution: Winners, Chaos & What’s Next | FirstMark · Jul 3, 2025 · at 37:57

Matt Turck is a general partner at FirstMark and host of The MAD Podcast. He is discussing the fragile unit economics and gross margin challenges facing high-growth AI application startups.

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“And there's reportedly open questions around gross margins as well which means that on a unit basis, a lot of those companies operate at a loss. The more they serve customers, the more they lose money,”

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