Zhamak Dehghani

Founder & CEO, Nextdata · 1 appearance on the record.

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Zhamak Dehghani is the creator of the Data Mesh concept and author of Data Mesh: Delivering Data-Driven Value at Scale. Formerly Director of Emerging Technologies at Thoughtworks, she founded Nextdata to develop platforms for decentralized data products.

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1 prediction · 3 assertions · 1 opinion · 3 insights · 1 disclosure · every statement was checked. The prediction and assertions are the 4 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 0 are resolved, and 4 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Zhamak argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Argument clarity: do they answer the question? how? →

4.1 / 5 directness 4.5 · coherence 4 · precision 3.9 · compression 3.5

answered every one of 8 assessed questions directly

This is a score against a rubric. It is not a rank. Every host question → answer exchange is scored with names hidden on directness, coherence, precision and compression, 1–5 each, on meaning alone: disfluencies are ignored, and only raw unedited episodes count. This is the score that measures thought. Every scored exchange, scores shown → · The rubric and its checks →

How they sound: speaking style how? →

224 words/min while actually speaking · 27.8 um and uh per 1k words

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 4,607 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

What they said9 What others said8 Episodes1

Everything Zhamak Dehghani said on the MAD Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight

Dehghani: Centralized data architecture creates systems fragile to macro-level change

“Centralization of the data, centralization of the organization, functional division between the data and non-data, those are the things that have led to kind of a system that is fragile to scale and change at the macro level, not at the bits and bytes level, r…”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 5:10 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

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Dehghani: Current Data Mesh setups are Frankenstein creations stitching existing tech

“At this point in time, it looks like a Frankenstein creation because we have to stitch together a lot of technologies that exist and they weren't designed for this model of reconfiguring, you know, being reconfigured in this way.”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 18:04 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

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Dehghani: Data engineering and data science will become basic engineering skills

“I think one of the big changes would be, we'll move from this specialized and specialization to generalization. So some of the things that we consider specialization today, like data engineering, a large portion of what we call data science becomes basic engin…”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 24:15 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

Opinion

Dehghani: The debate between data warehouses and lakes is irrelevant

“And I think this kind of funny war between warehouse and lake and web model We should access the data that that seems to me a little bit irrelevant because both of those access models are very acceptable.”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 12:33 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

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Dehghani: Enterprise data usage shifted from operational reporting to embedding ML in applications

“We've moved away from, okay, I'm going to run a few, set up a warehouse and get a few reports and get an insight into the operation of my organizations to actually I want to run, you know, include ML, a data-driven way of solving problems into every feature of…”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 2:27 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

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Dehghani: Data access control is proprietary compared to standardized API access

“Access control right now is very proprietary in data world to the platform you're stuck in compared to the API world where you have some sort of a, you know, standard.”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 23:26 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

Insight

Dehghani: Enterprise data lake migration should start with data consumer needs

“I think you start going backward from your consumers of the data data lakes. So look at who's accessing it, why they're accessing it, what data do they need? Work backward and go back to the source.”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 26:41 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

Insight

Dehghani: True data immutability requires both event and processing timestamps

“The data can be only immutable if we build two time timestamps into every single kind of representation of the data, and those two timestamps are when something actually happened, and when we process that information, our understanding of that data.”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 28:13 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

Disclosure

ThoughtWorks plans to publish an open-source Data Mesh reference implementation

“So we will publish that open source. We'll have an open source reference implementation. So we're working on it internally.”

Zhamak Dehghani Oct 27, 2021 ▶ 31:46 Fireside Chat: Zhamak Dehghani (Founder, Data Mesh) with Matt Turck (Partner, FirstMark)

The other half of the tape: Zhamak Dehghani's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 8 times in 5 episodes on the MAD Podcast. every mention, with the transcript →

Who brings them up most Matt Turck 6 Mark Grover 1 Felix Van de Maele 1