Misha Laskin

Co-founder & CEO, Reflection AI · 1 appearance on the record.

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Misha Laskin is an artificial intelligence researcher and former Google DeepMind scientist who worked on reinforcement learning. He is the co-founder and CEO of Reflection AI, an AI laboratory developing autonomous engineering agents.

24statements → 13claims → 1claims resolved → 3.54/5average certainty → 2.88/5average debate potential → 4.3/5argument clarity · the sources →

0 supported 1 partly supported 0 contradicted 12 not checkable as stated how the 13 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

8 predictions · 5 assertions · 6 opinions · 4 insights · 1 disclosure · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 13 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 1 is resolved, and 12 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

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4.3 / 5 directness 4.6 · coherence 4.5 · precision 3.9 · compression 3.7

answered every one of 14 assessed questions directly

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How they sound: speaking style how? →

275 words/min while actually speaking · 35.6 um and uh per 1k words

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 10,714 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

Everything Misha Laskin said on the MAD Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Laskin: The core ingredients to build AGI and ASI are now known
“But that was only meaningful when the ingredients for how to build artificial general intelligence, or ASI were not known. I think now they're known, and so.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 17:29 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Opinion
Laskin: AI work awarded Physics Nobel Prize has had little impact on physics
“What's interesting is that the Physics Nobel Prize was given to something that has not really had that much impact in physics, but it is but I still buy it because it's kind of there's a physics smell to the breakthroughs that led to you know, these systems li…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 40:34 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Superintelligence will emerge from multiple specialized labs, not one company
“I do think there'll be a general super intelligence, but I think that it won't be one lab that has built it, but it'll be kind of the plurality, like the collection of all intelligences will be a general super intelligence.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 51:40 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: AI models will interact with enterprise software primarily via APIs
“And so the way these language models are going to interact with any piece of software, not just Software engineering software, like Salesforce and other CRMs and creative tools and so forth. The majority of those interactions are going to be through function c…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 7:22 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Advanced AI without comprehension are 'L9 engineers with amnesia'
“What we're going to get to if we don't solve the comprehension piece is basically L-nine engineers with amnesia.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 10:41 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Insight
Laskin: Solving organizational code context yields all capabilities for superintelligence
“Like if you really solve this oracle for organizations just for coding, you've basically built all the capabilities you need to have super intelligence.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 15:53 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Insight
Laskin: Reinforcement learning makes LLM capabilities jagged, not broadly general
“When you train large language models with reinforcement learning, they become jagged in the sense that they become good at what you wanted them to be good at. And there are some generalization capabilities, but they're much weaker than people think.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 49:32 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Principal-level AI engineers are a couple of years away
“And that the combination of this you know, L-Nine with Amnesia and the L-Nine's context core will together, you know, that will become the principal level engineer, the AI engineer. And so I actually think that that's not too far away. That's I would say in, y…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 56:41 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Reflection AI regularly beats OpenAI, Anthropic, and DeepMind for talent
“We win over candidates over OpenAI and Anthropic Meta, DeepMind regularly.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 1:01:22 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Reflection AI will ship research requiring 100k GPU equivalence in 2025
“Later this year we'll be shipping things that I don't think anyone ever thought a startup could do. Like, I think that we're going to be shipping some things on the research side that I think everyone thinks you need to be a giant lab with a 100,000 GPUs to do…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 1:02:06 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Insight
Laskin: Focused AI startups can operate with 10x less capital than frontier labs
“You can't operate at a hundred X less capital than a frontier lab, but you can operate at, say, 10 X, like an order of magnitude less capital when you're really focused.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 1:05:03 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Organizational superintelligence will probably be an all-encompassing oracle
“We realized that probably the form factor of an organizational super intelligence, like the thing that's really gonna help organizations get a lot of stuff done, is probably gonna be something like an oracle. Like an oracle that understands the entire organiza…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 3:28 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Insight
Laskin: Large labs use superintelligence synonymously with AGI
“Superintelligence in these contexts of the large lab context is actually just being used synonymously with what AGI used to be used for.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 4:57 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Misha Laskin: All existing AI coding tools focus exclusively on code generation
“Every coding tool today is focused on the code generation piece”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 10:09 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Assertion Partly supported
Misha Laskin: Engineers spend 70% of their time searching information, not coding
“If you actually hover over a shoulder of an engineer at any large organization, or even a startup with a really sizable code base, and you look at what they do, you'll find that a minority of their time is actually spent coding. Like, 70% of the time they're D…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 11:25 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Opinion
Laskin: Traditional RAG agents fail for any meaningful software engineering query
“It'll grab it, and then that's all you have, and most likely, for any meaningful query it will not have given you the information that you need to actually go do the task. So rag agents are actually, are pretty weak.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 12:57 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Opinion
Laskin: Current agentic search tools do not scale to large codebases
“That's basically where Agentex search is today, where you're going and you're kind of exploring, and you have this tiny flashlight, and you have to then remember everything in your head, and obviously that's a first form of comprehension, but it's also a prett…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 14:02 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Laskin: Self-improving code AI will mainly make algorithms more efficient
“I think what, I think coding intelligence that builds better coding intelligence will Make algorithms more efficient, basically.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 17:05 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Opinion
Laskin: Base language models before alignment are useless stochastic parrots
“If you play with one of these base models before they're aligned, they're really useless. They're, they are, they feel like stochastic parrots. They don't follow instructions.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 20:03 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Opinion
Laskin: AI coding tools are thin wrappers with low switching costs
“It's really easy to switch around between various different coding providers today because they don't really integrate deeply, and so, you know, you can try cursor today, you can try cloud code tomorrow, you can switch, you know, to windsurf, and there's reall…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 31:49 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Coding agents are currently at an L4 junior engineer level
“There is in some sense, we are probably at a L four kind of junior, junior engineer level of autonomy, which is pretty incredible.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 54:18 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Laskin: Other AI companies will converge on multi-agent retrieval architectures
“I'm sure that other companies will converge on it as well.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 25:51 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
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Laskin: Pre-LLM AI breakthroughs spent more effort on environment design than model training
“And a lot of the project was in these big projects was not even on training the models. It was figuring out how the agents should actually interface with the environment that you're training it in.”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 28:30 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI
Disclosure
Laskin: Google Gemini's initial RLHF team was only 10 to 20 people
“I joined a small project at the time that you know, was tens of people. And that project became Gemini one and 1.5, and then obviously two and so forth. And I joined with my co-founder, my co-founder, Yannis was leading the reinforcement learning team, the RLE…”
Misha Laskin Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 46:55 Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Ex‑DeepMind Researcher Misha Laskin on Enterprise Super‑Intelligence | Reflection AI Jul 17, 2025 50m
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