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Brandon Duderstadt

CEO & Co-Founder, Nomic · 1 appearance on the record.

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Brandon Duderstadt is the CEO and co-founder of Nomic. He helped create Nomic Embed, an open long-context text embedder.

13statements → 4claims → 1claims resolved → 3.85/5average certainty → 2/5average debate potential → 4.3/5argument clarity · the sources →

0 supported 0 partly supported 1 contradicted 3 not checkable as stated how the 4 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

1 prediction · 3 assertions · 1 opinion · 4 insights · 4 disclosures · every statement was checked. The prediction and assertions are the 4 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 1 is resolved, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Brandon argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Duderstadt: No top benchmark AI embedding models release their datasets
“And as far as we're aware, none of the other, you know, top models on any of these benchmarks have gone out and released their data sets.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 29:41 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution

Argument clarity: do they answer the question? how? →

4.3 / 5 directness 4.5 · coherence 4.8 · precision 4.2 · compression 3.8

redirected or did not address 1 of 11 assessed questions (9%). Watch them ▸

This is a score against a rubric. It is not a rank. Every host question → answer exchange is scored with names hidden on directness, coherence, precision and compression, 1–5 each, on meaning alone: disfluencies are ignored, and only raw unedited episodes count. This is the score that measures thought. Every scored exchange, scores shown → · The rubric and its checks →

How they sound: speaking style how? →

260 words/min while actually speaking · 23 um and uh per 1k words

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 4,778 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

Everything Brandon Duderstadt said on the MAD Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Assertion Contradicted
Duderstadt: No top benchmark AI embedding models release their datasets
“And as far as we're aware, none of the other, you know, top models on any of these benchmarks have gone out and released their data sets.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 29:41 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Opinion
Duderstadt: Unequal access from market consolidation is the top AI risk
“What I would say the number one risk of this technology is, which is the sort of unequal access element to it. Like the version of the world that I fear most is like, there's two or three mega companies that like lock everything down in like the early days.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 35:53 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Duderstadt: New York is a strong candidate for global AI nexus
“If I were to bet on where like the global nexus necessarily would be, like if you're accounting for the fact that like, you know, there are things happening outside of the US, I think New York is a very strong candidate.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 38:42 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Disclosure
Duderstadt: Nomic's enterprise sales funnel is literally Twitter, Discord, then sales
“Our sales funnel is literally like Twitter to discord to enterprise sale.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 20:17 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Insight
Duderstadt: Training data is almost always the secret sauce of AI models
“The data is often the secret sauce. Like when people talk about like, oh, what is the secret sauce of your AI model? It's almost always the data.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 30:20 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Insight
Duderstadt: Separating classical and generative AI engineers is a false dichotomy
“It's a false dichotomy. Yeah. That's a false dichotomy. You need all the above and it's questionable if that's even like a distinction that should be made.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 41:19 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Insight
Duderstadt: Dataset curation unlocks AI model utility in high-stakes domains
“When you're working in these domains that are, you know, like defense and medicine and finance, where it's like super high impact and you really have a vested interest in your models being right, you start to learn very quickly that a lot of the A lot of the u…”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 2:15 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Duderstadt: GPU scarcity in academia is driving talent flight to industry
“And even nowadays, like, you know, it's increasingly hard to get those GPUs in academic positions. And so it's making increasing amounts of sense for, I think the flight that we're seeing from academia to industry.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 5:53 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Insight
Duderstadt: Spatial scatter plots excel at AI debugging because errors cluster spatially
“What we found is this sort of layout is particularly useful for debugging AI models because their errors tend to pop up in like localized regions of it.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 17:38 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Disclosure
Duderstadt: Nomic releases Nomic Embed model weights and curated training dataset
“Is we're not just releasing the model weights. We're releasing the data set that Zach spent all of his time curating.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 29:23 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Duderstadt: Mistral 7B 4-bit fine-tuned on OpenOrca is GPT4All's top model
“I think the most popular model right now is Mistral-Seven-B quantized to four-bit precision fine-tuned on the open ORCA dataset set..”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 11:55 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Disclosure
Duderstadt: Nomic AI hires full-time staff to work on llama.cpp
“We've been able to actually, like, bring staff on full time to work on things like improving lawless CPP.”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 15:19 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution
Disclosure
Duderstadt: Nomic AI recruits heavily directly from its open-source Discord community
“And also we hire a lot out of open source. And so if people want to get involved, like, you know, we hired Zach out of open source you know, a couple of people that we picked up during the big hiring spree after we raised our A. You know Adam, Aaron Jared. The…”
Brandon Duderstadt Feb 1, 2024 ▶ 40:16 How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
How Nomic AI Is Driving The Open Source Revolution Feb 1, 2024 21m
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