Oct 26, 2017 · 26m · mad

Using AI to Accelerate Drug Discovery // Jerome Pesenti, BenevolentAI (FirstMark's Data Driven)

Jerome Pesenti · 22m spoken Matt Turck · 29s spoken
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Jerome Pesenti, CEO of BenevolentTech at BenevolentAI, presents an end-to-end artificial intelligence framework designed to revolutionize drug discovery and overcome declining ROI in pharmaceutical research. Through biological knowledge graphs, deep learning hypothesis generation, and generative chemistry, he demonstrates how AI accelerates target identification and clinical validation.

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Matt as informed peer 0.4 Guest teaching 2.4 Guest disagreement 0.3 Matt pushing back 0.3
05100:0010:0020:000:08–4:07 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 The Core Problem: Escalating Costs and E-Room's Law Jerome Pesenti delivers a monologue presentation introducing E-Room's law and the rising costs of drug discovery. The host does not speak or intervene during this introductory presentation segment.4:07–7:02 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 The Four-Step AI R&D Process Overview Pesenti outlines BenevolentAI's four-step AI methodology for drug R&D in a continuous talk. The host remains silent throughout the segment.7:02–10:48 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Step 1: AI-Driven Proprietary Knowledge and Weak Supervision Pesenti details technical machine learning topics such as weak supervision and distance supervision on unstructured data. Host interaction is absent as this is part of the keynote address.10:48–14:12 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Step 2: Machine Learning Hypotheses Generation The speaker details how the platform generates target biological mechanisms and hypotheses for human scientists. The host does not make any comments or interjections.14:12–16:30 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Step 4: Programme Advancement and Generative Chemistry Pesenti elaborates on generative chemistry models, contrasting published academic papers with real-world chemical viability. The presentation monologue continues without host commentary.16:30–18:38 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Case Study: Accelerating Research in ALS Pesenti shares a real-world case study on identifying ALS drug targets validated in laboratory tests. Host presence is zero during this monologue segment.18:38–26:46 · Matt as informed peer 3/10 Audience Question and Answer Session with Matt Turck Matt Turck opens the Q&A session by asking if the model extends easily to patient notes, which Pesenti gently clarifies is non-trivial and requires deep domain adaptation. The segment proceeds with collaborative audience Q&A moderated by the host.0:08–4:07 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Core Problem: Escalating Costs and E-Room's Law Jerome Pesenti delivers a monologue presentation introducing E-Room's law and the rising costs of drug discovery. The host does not speak or intervene during this introductory presentation segment.4:07–7:02 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Four-Step AI R&D Process Overview Pesenti outlines BenevolentAI's four-step AI methodology for drug R&D in a continuous talk. The host remains silent throughout the segment.7:02–10:48 · Guest teaching 3/10 Step 1: AI-Driven Proprietary Knowledge and Weak Supervision Pesenti details technical machine learning topics such as weak supervision and distance supervision on unstructured data. Host interaction is absent as this is part of the keynote address.10:48–14:12 · Guest teaching 2/10 Step 2: Machine Learning Hypotheses Generation The speaker details how the platform generates target biological mechanisms and hypotheses for human scientists. The host does not make any comments or interjections.14:12–16:30 · Guest teaching 3/10 Step 4: Programme Advancement and Generative Chemistry Pesenti elaborates on generative chemistry models, contrasting published academic papers with real-world chemical viability. The presentation monologue continues without host commentary.16:30–18:38 · Guest teaching 2/10 Case Study: Accelerating Research in ALS Pesenti shares a real-world case study on identifying ALS drug targets validated in laboratory tests. Host presence is zero during this monologue segment.18:38–26:46 · Guest teaching 3/10 Audience Question and Answer Session with Matt Turck Matt Turck opens the Q&A session by asking if the model extends easily to patient notes, which Pesenti gently clarifies is non-trivial and requires deep domain adaptation. The segment proceeds with collaborative audience Q&A moderated by the host.0:08–4:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Core Problem: Escalating Costs and E-Room's Law Jerome Pesenti delivers a monologue presentation introducing E-Room's law and the rising costs of drug discovery. The host does not speak or intervene during this introductory presentation segment.4:07–7:02 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Four-Step AI R&D Process Overview Pesenti outlines BenevolentAI's four-step AI methodology for drug R&D in a continuous talk. The host remains silent throughout the segment.7:02–10:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Step 1: AI-Driven Proprietary Knowledge and Weak Supervision Pesenti details technical machine learning topics such as weak supervision and distance supervision on unstructured data. Host interaction is absent as this is part of the keynote address.10:48–14:12 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Step 2: Machine Learning Hypotheses Generation The speaker details how the platform generates target biological mechanisms and hypotheses for human scientists. The host does not make any comments or interjections.14:12–16:30 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Step 4: Programme Advancement and Generative Chemistry Pesenti elaborates on generative chemistry models, contrasting published academic papers with real-world chemical viability. The presentation monologue continues without host commentary.16:30–18:38 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Case Study: Accelerating Research in ALS Pesenti shares a real-world case study on identifying ALS drug targets validated in laboratory tests. Host presence is zero during this monologue segment.18:38–26:46 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Audience Question and Answer Session with Matt Turck Matt Turck opens the Q&A session by asking if the model extends easily to patient notes, which Pesenti gently clarifies is non-trivial and requires deep domain adaptation. The segment proceeds with collaborative audience Q&A moderated by the host.0:08–4:07 · Matt pushing back 0/10 The Core Problem: Escalating Costs and E-Room's Law Jerome Pesenti delivers a monologue presentation introducing E-Room's law and the rising costs of drug discovery. The host does not speak or intervene during this introductory presentation segment.4:07–7:02 · Matt pushing back 0/10 The Four-Step AI R&D Process Overview Pesenti outlines BenevolentAI's four-step AI methodology for drug R&D in a continuous talk. The host remains silent throughout the segment.7:02–10:48 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Step 1: AI-Driven Proprietary Knowledge and Weak Supervision Pesenti details technical machine learning topics such as weak supervision and distance supervision on unstructured data. Host interaction is absent as this is part of the keynote address.10:48–14:12 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Step 2: Machine Learning Hypotheses Generation The speaker details how the platform generates target biological mechanisms and hypotheses for human scientists. The host does not make any comments or interjections.14:12–16:30 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Step 4: Programme Advancement and Generative Chemistry Pesenti elaborates on generative chemistry models, contrasting published academic papers with real-world chemical viability. The presentation monologue continues without host commentary.16:30–18:38 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Case Study: Accelerating Research in ALS Pesenti shares a real-world case study on identifying ALS drug targets validated in laboratory tests. Host presence is zero during this monologue segment.18:38–26:46 · Matt pushing back 2/10 Audience Question and Answer Session with Matt Turck Matt Turck opens the Q&A session by asking if the model extends easily to patient notes, which Pesenti gently clarifies is non-trivial and requires deep domain adaptation. The segment proceeds with collaborative audience Q&A moderated by the host.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:54 Gently Pushing Back on Host's Assumption of Easy Extensibility

Pesenti counters Matt Turck's suggestion that the platform easily extends across domains, explaining that building domain-specific bioinformatics teams is mandatory.

Hardest push from Matt ▶ 18:39 Host Probing System Scope and Extensibility

Matt Turck challenges the boundaries of the technology by specifically asking if it can process handwritten physician notes to inform drug discovery.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 15:20 Highlighting Unusable Output in Published Generative AI Papers

Pesenti educates the audience on the gap between published machine learning papers and practice, noting that molecules generated by academic models are often laughed at by actual chemists.

Matt holds his own ▶ 22:12 Host's Witty Interjection on Bypassing Scientists

Matt Turck chimed in with a humorous, sharp observation that scientists would love being bypassed in favor of direct in-vitro testing.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicMatt as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementMatt pushing backWhy
The Core Problem: Escalating Costs and E-Room's Law 0200 Jerome Pesenti delivers a monologue presentation introducing E-Room's law and the rising costs of drug discovery. The host does not speak or intervene during this introductory presentation segment.
The Four-Step AI R&D Process Overview 0200 Pesenti outlines BenevolentAI's four-step AI methodology for drug R&D in a continuous talk. The host remains silent throughout the segment.
Step 1: AI-Driven Proprietary Knowledge and Weak Supervision 0300 Pesenti details technical machine learning topics such as weak supervision and distance supervision on unstructured data. Host interaction is absent as this is part of the keynote address.
Step 2: Machine Learning Hypotheses Generation 0200 The speaker details how the platform generates target biological mechanisms and hypotheses for human scientists. The host does not make any comments or interjections.
Step 4: Programme Advancement and Generative Chemistry 0300 Pesenti elaborates on generative chemistry models, contrasting published academic papers with real-world chemical viability. The presentation monologue continues without host commentary.
Case Study: Accelerating Research in ALS 0200 Pesenti shares a real-world case study on identifying ALS drug targets validated in laboratory tests. Host presence is zero during this monologue segment.
Audience Question and Answer Session with Matt Turck 3322 Matt Turck opens the Q&A session by asking if the model extends easily to patient notes, which Pesenti gently clarifies is non-trivial and requires deep domain adaptation. The segment proceeds with collaborative audience Q&A moderated by the host.

Statements from this episode (13)

Assertion Supported
Drug discovery return on investment is exponentially decreasing
“The return on investment for drug discovery is exponentially decreasing.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 0:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
The overall cost of scientific discovery may be increasing exponentially
“Because the number of researchers is almost increasing exponentially, but our growth rate actually is kind of almost decreasing, it may be true not just for drugs, but, you know, overall for humanity that the cost of discovery is increasing exponentially.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 0:43
Assertion Supported
Up to 10,000 bioscience papers are published every day
“There's like a few thousand to like 10,000 papers that are written every day, ah, in bioscience”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 1:38
Assertion Partly supported
There are 90 million patents and 30 million scientific articles available
“There's ninety million full-text patents, thirty million scientific article”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 2:12
Disclosure
BenevolentAI has initiated a Phase II clinical trial
“We actually started just now. A clinical trial phase two, so we're going all the way from, ah, the AI to the actual clinical trials.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 3:05
Assertion Not checkable as stated
BenevolentAI's biological knowledge graph contains approximately one billion facts
“Think of it as like a billion facts, ok?”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 7:27
Insight
Weak supervision is the sweet spot for early-stage AI startups
“The sweet spot these days is what we call weak supervision or semi supervision for startup.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 8:34
Opinion
Chemists consider molecules from published AI generative chemistry models impractical
“Now there are lots of great papers that have been written around using machine learning and neural network around generating new chemistry, but if you really look at them, if you actually get chemists to look at what's generated, they will say, ah, that's a jo…”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 15:44
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Two AI-generated ALS compounds outperformed standard-of-care treatments in lab validation
“We actually put the five hypothesis in the lab, and at this point, it's in vitro and in vivo validation, and, you know, two of them didn't work well one of them work as well as this kind of standard of care at the moment, and two of them work actually much bet…”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 17:42
Disclosure
BenevolentAI is exploring applying its AI platform to battery technology
“And our vision is that if we can do that for drugs, we may do that also for materials. We are actually looking at battery technology.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 18:21
Insight
Large pharma relies on acquisitions rather than internal drug research
“Large pharma is not really the research engine anymore, and that a lot of the large pharma actually will acquire more than develop themselves.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 19:58
Insight
Large pharma incentives encourage researchers to push failing programs to completion
“If you're in a large pharma, and you're just in one area, your goal is to push your programs to the end, even if it's not going to work, ok? And so, countering this kind of incentive is, is, is very important to be successful, because you want to fail fast and…”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 20:25
Disclosure
BenevolentAI cannot discover unstudied targets; it only repurposes existing knowledge
“We don't come up with new targets that have never been looked at. For example, the system by definition cannot do that. So it's always about repurposing some existing knowledge.”
Jerome Pesenti Oct 26, 2017 ▶ 25:54
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