GRPO
4 statements across 3 episodes · 2 bullish · 0 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Oct 16, 2025 by Jerry Tworek · across every show →
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Oct 16, 2025
Nov 20, 2025
Jan 29, 2026 bullish
RLVR and GRPO will stabilize into canonical algorithms similar to AdamW
“It's similar to, you know, optimizers with Adam. So Adam is, I mean, right now there's Adam W. There was SGD and all the other RMS prop and how they were called. And they kind of all converge to Adam W by adding more and more tricks. And I think that's the sam…”
Jan 29, 2026 positive
Original GRPO algorithm is flaky but stabilizes with practical engineering tricks
“Vanilla GRP or the original algorithm, it is pretty flaky. Like where it is, you have to babysit it. Over the course of the year, many people had these tips and tricks where some people were saying, remove the KL divergence term. Like if you just drop it for m…”