GRPO

4 statements across 3 episodes · 2 bullish · 0 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Oct 16, 2025 by Jerry Tworek · across every show →

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Oct 16, 2025
Disclosure
Tworek: OpenAI's RL algorithm is not GRPO but shares similar components
“Like what we, what OpenAI is doing is not exactly GRPO. It is slightly different in many different ways, but like some parts are definitely similar.”
Jerry Tworek Oct 16, 2025 ▶ 51:48 How GPT-5 Thinks — OpenAI VP of Research Jerry Tworek
Nov 20, 2025
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lambert: Most AI labs probably use evolved GRPO rather than PPO
“In reality, it seems like most people are using something like an evolved version of GRPO, which is a bit simpler than PPO.”
Nathan Lambert Nov 20, 2025 ▶ 1:16:39 Open Source AI Strikes Back — Inside Ai2’s OLMo 3 ‘Thinking"
Jan 29, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
RLVR and GRPO will stabilize into canonical algorithms similar to AdamW
“It's similar to, you know, optimizers with Adam. So Adam is, I mean, right now there's Adam W. There was SGD and all the other RMS prop and how they were called. And they kind of all converge to Adam W by adding more and more tricks. And I think that's the sam…”
Sebastian Raschka Jan 29, 2026 ▶ 34:51 State of LLMs 2026: RLVR, GRPO, Inference Scaling — Sebastian Raschka
Jan 29, 2026 positive
Insight
Original GRPO algorithm is flaky but stabilizes with practical engineering tricks
“Vanilla GRP or the original algorithm, it is pretty flaky. Like where it is, you have to babysit it. Over the course of the year, many people had these tips and tricks where some people were saying, remove the KL divergence term. Like if you just drop it for m…”
Sebastian Raschka Jan 29, 2026 ▶ 32:28 State of LLMs 2026: RLVR, GRPO, Inference Scaling — Sebastian Raschka
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