Stewart Butterfield
Co-founder & Former CEO, Slack · 1 appearance on the record.
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Stewart Butterfield is the co-founder and former CEO of Slack. He also co-founded the photo-sharing platform Flickr.
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Butterfield: Google Calendar's iOS interface is 'bananas how bad it is'
“This is an app that's used by at least hundreds of millions of people, presumably every single Google employee. It's bananas how bad it is.”
Butterfield: Removing friction is the wrong approach when user comprehension is low
“The remove friction kind of orientation is so deep in people. Again, it really makes a difference in, in those cases where people do have an intent and they do know what they're trying to do. It is a poor approach when the challenge is really comprehension.”
Butterfield: Employees instinctively push to hire direct reports to boost status
“The overwhelming majority of people you hire want to hire more people who report to them. And it's not because they're evil and it's not because they're stupid. In fact, they're smart because everyone knows that the number of people who report to you correlate…”
Butterfield: Department heads will never volunteer to freeze or reduce headcount
“Every budget process No head of engineering, no head of sales, no CFO, no GC, is ever going to come back and say like, oh, I actually think like next year we can just hire fewer people, or we're going to keep it flat, or we're going to like shrink through attr…”
Butterfield: Hiring ahead of valuable work creates performative bureaucracy
“If you hire 17 product marketers, you're going to have 17 product marketers worth of demand for work to do. And if you don't have sufficient supply of product marketing work to do, they're just going to do other stuff.”
Butterfield: Software that reduces smartphone usage would be a big winner
“I think these things are kind of destroying the world and what we're good at is making software so you can find some way to make software that helped people use Their phones less often, then that would be a big winner, but I haven't come up with anything good.”
Butterfield: Slack wouldn't have grown without emotional product conveniences
“It wouldn't have grown the way it did without those little conveniences which caused people to form an emotional connection because a lot of our growth came from, you know, startup A uses Slack, and then someone leaves startup A for startup B, and startup B do…”
Butterfield: Designers should reduce cognitive burden instead of click count
“And if we, if people could get over the idea of reducing friction as a number of goal or reducing the number of clicks or taps, do something, and instead focus on how can I make this simple? How, how do I prevent people from having to think in order to use my …”
Butterfield: Leaders who fail to see endless product flaws should not run companies
“If you can't see almost limitless opportunities to improve, then you shouldn't be designing the product, or you shouldn't be in charge of the company”
Butterfield: Organizational problems only appear simple when they are misunderstood
“Everything is simple if you have no idea what you're talking about. So the other side of that is like, if something seems simple, probably you don't understand it. And You know, there's obvious exceptions to that, but for anything that involves a large organiz…”
Butterfield: Highly differentiated products require building the product and market simultaneously
“If your thing is different in any significant way from the alternatives you're not just creating the product, you're creating the market. They're really kind of one and the same.”
Butterfield: Changing direction within six months is exploration, not a pivot
“I think it's very different to be like, there's three of us, and we started making this app, and then we pivoted to a different app. That doesn't even really count. You know, like if you're six months into something, you're just, you're still messing around. Y…”
Butterfield: Teams prematurely kill features by stopping before the quality threshold
“In many cases people will add a feature. It's not good enough and so people don't use it or appreciate it, but now you've added some complexity to the app, and then people, Give up, or take it back, or, you know, they tried something in testing, and they don't…”
Butterfield: Product taste provides an advantage because most competitors lack it
“You can create a real advantage for yourself, for your product, for your company by leaning into it because most people don't have good taste and don't invest.”
Butterfield: Slack was first to scale and standardize magic links
“Someone else invented, I want to be clear that I had seen that idea somewhere else, like someone else, a blog post about it or something like that, but we were the first ones. To my knowledge, that, that really kind of, like, scaled that and made it a standard…”
Butterfield: Product positioning must combine familiar ideas, not novel concepts
“It's almost impossible to create a net new idea in someone's head. It's much easier to take a couple of existing ideas and put them together. So it's much easier to say it's like, Jaws meets Star Wars, or it's Uber for pets, or something like that, than to com…”
Butterfield: Glitch was abandoned with $9 million in capital remaining
“We still had like nine million dollars left and everyone still liked the game and we were all happy working on it. But I think by that point I had exhausted every non-ridiculous long shot idea to make it commercially successful. And so Decided to abandon it.”
Butterfield: Founders often prefer suffocating out of capital to admitting failure
“It's, I think for a lot of people it feels better to just keep doing it until it dies of suffocation due to lack of capital or something like that than to admit like, okay, I was wrong. This didn't work.”
Butterfield: Product creators suffer from 'the owner's delusion' about user patience
“When they get to their web, your website for the first time, their intent is absolutely the minimum number of micro points above the threshold required for them to actually take that action. You're like, all right, like, welcome to my website, and there's a bu…”
Butterfield: Cal Henderson and I are discussing what to do next
“Cal Henderson, who's the CTO of Slack, and who also, we worked together on Flickr, so have worked together now for 23 years, have been talking about what we want to do next if there is something.”
Butterfield: Product development utility follows an S-curve with steep diminishing returns
“The first bit of effort you put into something doesn't result in a huge amount of value. And then there's some magic threshold where it produces an enormous amount of value and then continued investment doesn't really pay off.”
The other half of the tape: Stewart Butterfield's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 21 times in 4 episodes on Lenny's Podcast. 3 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Lenny Rachitsky 12Kenneth Berger 6Tamar Yehoshua 2Noah Weiss 1
Statements about Stewart Butterfield, by other people (3)
Yehoshua: Stewart Butterfield is Silicon Valley's best product thinker
“I think he is the best product thinker in the valley, or he's not working in product right now. He's taking time off, but he's got this combination of long-term thinking in, in the details.”
Stewart Butterfield's 2014 Slack master plan already included AI
“So in 2014, he wrote a master plan for Slack, which was build a product people love. Build a network that Slack connect, build a platform that makes all of your other SaaS products more valuable, the Slack platform, and then do some magic AI stuff.”
Fain: Slack created unstructured feedback sessions after Stewart Butterfield rejected designs
“We implemented something at Slack with Stuart because we realized we were coming to him with, like, done designs, and he was like, what the fuck is this? This is completely different than how I had this in my mind. So Allie Rail, early Slack employee, implemen…”
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Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Mental models for building products people love ft. Stewart Butterfield | Nov 20, 2025 | 1h 9m |