A/B testing

also referred to as: a-b testing

19 statements across 14 episodes · 2 bullish · 8 bearish · 14 people on the record · first statement Sep 8, 2022 by Julie Zhuo · across every show →

Everything said about A/B testing, oldest first

Sep 8, 2022 positive
Opinion
Zhuo: Data-driven development and subjective design are not at odds
“People often have this like, oh, you know, design and user experience is on the other side of the coin. You know, it's like, it's a totally different industry and they're at odds with each other, right? Being data informed and being quantitative versus like be…”
Julie Zhuo Sep 8, 2022 ▶ 48:35 Overcome imposter syndrome and accelerate your career | Julie Zhuo (Sundial, Facebook)
Feb 12, 2023 negative
Insight
Isford: Tying engineering performance to metric movement incentivizes costly over-experimentation
“There shouldn't be, especially in engineering within the world of growth, a culture around having to point to numbers to demonstrate your impact, because if there is, then the team will buy us to experiments all the time. And that's not necessarily the right t…”
Lauryn Isford Feb 12, 2023 ▶ 8:35 Mastering onboarding | Lauryn Isford (Head of Growth at Airtable)
Mar 9, 2023 negative
Insight
Schaffer: A/B testing is one of the most expensive validation methods
“A-B testing is one of the most expensive kinds of ways to validate an experiment, right? It you know, often requires design and engineering and the PM or growth person or marketing person who's crafting it, right? All these things Or investments that take a lo…”
Laura Schaffer Mar 9, 2023 ▶ 39:22 Career frameworks, A/B testing, onboarding tips, selling to engineers | Laura Schaffer (Amplitude)
Jun 15, 2023
Insight
Luc Levesque: Shipping directly often creates more value than slow A/B testing
“The experiments are great, but they're also, they can be slow. You have to look at the results. You have to analyze how things went. You have to learn what's going on. You have to build the experiment. So there's a cost to an experiment and not everything need…”
Luc Levesque Jun 15, 2023 ▶ 1:17:19 Leveraging growth advisors, mastering SEO, and honing your craft | Luc Levesque (Shopify, Meta)
Jul 27, 2023 neutral
Insight
A/B testing statistics generally fail without tens of thousands of users
“Unless you have at least tens of thousands of users, The math, the statistics just don't work out for most of the metrics that you're interested in.”
Ronny Kohavi Jul 27, 2023 ▶ 26:52 The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)
Jul 27, 2023 neutral
Insight
Comprehensive A/B testing requires a minimum of approximately 200,000 users
“So you ask for rule of thumb, 200,000 users, you're magical. Below that, start building the culture, start building the platform, start integrating, so that as you scale, you start to see the value.”
Ronny Kohavi Jul 27, 2023 ▶ 27:25 The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)
Jul 27, 2023 negative
Insight
Never ship flat experiment results due to the hidden maintenance overhead
“Flat to me, if something is not Statsig, that's a no ship because you've just introduced more code. There is a maintenance overhead. To shipping your stuff. I've heard people say, look, we already spent all this time. The team will be demotivated if we don't s…”
Ronny Kohavi Jul 27, 2023 ▶ 44:29 The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)
Jul 27, 2023
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Nine times out of ten, surprising A/B test wins contain hidden flaws
“And I will say that nine out of 10, when we call out Twyman's Law, it is the case that we find some flaw in the experiment.”
Ronny Kohavi Jul 27, 2023 ▶ 1:01:39 The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)
Sep 3, 2023 neutral
Insight
A/B testing can miss the point for larger strategic product bets
“Cause to some degree, or maybe the way I think about experimentation, that's the highest bar that proves with near absolute certainty that there's a causal relationship between the change you made and the KPI that you want to move. But I think that that is, it…”
Tim Holley Sep 3, 2023 ▶ 35:44 Inside Etsy’s product, growth, and marketplace evolution | Tim Holley (VP of Product)
Oct 8, 2023 negative
Disclosure
Linear does not use A/B testing or target metrics for product releases
“We don't do AP testing or we don't do specific or follow like certain metrics or something. We might sometimes, we do have telemetry or like, we can look at like how people use certain things. And we sometimes Do that. But like, that's not usually the goal we …”
Karri Saarinen Oct 8, 2023 ▶ 36:47 Inside Linear: Building with taste, craft, and focus | Karri Saarinen (co-founder, designer, CEO)
Nov 9, 2023 negative
Insight
Johari: Standard frequentist A/B testing discards past experimental learning
“You know, a funny thing about experiments is that we throw past learning away effectively. And this is just an artifact of how we analyze experiments that the methods used, the statistical methods used typically, you know, p-values, confidence intervals. These…”
Ramesh Johari Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 55:44 Marketplace lessons from Uber, Airbnb, Bumble, and more | Ramesh Johari (Stanford professor)
Nov 9, 2023 negative
Insight
Johari: Experimentation cultures foster risk aversion and overly incremental testing
“What I generally believe is that we're risk averse on both these two dimensions. That what people decide to test in a world that has promoted experimentation for everything tends to be more incremental by design. Okay. Because, and we'll come back to by actual…”
Ramesh Johari Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 41:38 Marketplace lessons from Uber, Airbnb, Bumble, and more | Ramesh Johari (Stanford professor)
Jan 4, 2024 neutral
Insight
Antin: A/B tests rarely explain why user behavior changed
“AB tests are great, but one of my most painful things to do is to sit in a room full of PMs and data scientists who have just seen the results of an experiment that like flipped to Statsig. And then they're like, cool. I was significantly down over this course…”
Judd Antin Jan 4, 2024 ▶ 40:11 The UX Research reckoning is here | Judd Antin (Airbnb, Meta)
Jan 4, 2024 neutral
Insight
Antin: Researchers cannot operate in A/B testing environments without basic statistics
“The best research to know a little bit of stats, like you can't interact in a world of A-B testing without knowing basic statistics.”
Judd Antin Jan 4, 2024 ▶ 18:49 The UX Research reckoning is here | Judd Antin (Airbnb, Meta)
Nov 7, 2024
Insight
Shopify Ships Neutral A/B Tests if Product Intuition is Positive
“If the intuition is right, that this probably is helping merchants, Why do we start with that? The original control is better if it's neutral. Let's start with like, what would we have shipped if we were a blank slate? And if it's neutral, actually neither is …”
Archie Abrams Nov 7, 2024 ▶ 41:46 Breaking the rules of growth: Why Shopify bans KPIs, optimizes for churn, and prioritizes intuition
Feb 27, 2025 negative
Insight
Baxter: Engineers add permanent maintenance burdens for minor A/B test wins
“Engineers have a tendency to add these little incremental wins that actually ha add. You know, more of a long-term maintenance cost than is clear because you just run a little one month, AB test. You see this, you know, significant when they don't realize the …”
Jay Baxter Feb 27, 2025 ▶ 1:04:06 An inside look at X’s Community Notes | Keith Coleman & Jay Baxter
Sep 25, 2025 neutral
Insight
Husain: AI evals are just standard data science applied to AI products
“People say the word eval is trying to kind of like carve out this new thing, and saying, you know, evals, and then A-B testing, but if you zoom out, it's the same data science as before, and I think that's what's causing the confusion is, hey, we need data sci…”
Hamel Husain Sep 25, 2025 ▶ 1:19:26 Why AI evals are the hottest new skill for product builders | Hamel Husain & Shreya Shankar
Oct 19, 2025 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Forsgren: AI prototyping cuts A/B testing cycles to under a week
“Some places it used to take, you know, months to get something through production, to do A-B testing and get feedback. We can do this in a day or two, right? Definitely under a week.”
Nicole Forsgren Oct 19, 2025 ▶ 31:09 How to measure AI developer productivity in 2025 | Nicole Forsgren
Jan 25, 2026 bearish
Insight
Cohen: Routine A/B testing is an enormous waste of time
“You can't AB test the important things and the details are mostly false positives. So it's an enormous waste of time unless you're incredibly sophisticated.”
Jason Cohen Jan 25, 2026 ▶ 1:36:09 The surprising advice from a founder who built 2 unicorns | Jason Cohen (WP Engine)
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