Nov 27, 2023 · 25m · founders-journal
How to Use EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System) to Run & Scale Your Business
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In this episode of Founder's Journal, host Alex Lieberman and serial entrepreneur Michael Girdley deliver a comprehensive breakdown of the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS), exploring its core tools, implementation strategies, and advantages over alternative business frameworks.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Alex holds 33.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Alex as informed peer 4.4 Guest teaching 4.5 Guest disagreement 1.8 Alex pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Alex, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 21:05 Girdley's takedown of OKRs and Google's money printer
Michael forcefully dismisses OKRs as bottom-up chaos and ridicules using Google as a benchmark, arguing that Google could give employees crayons and still succeed because of its money-printing monopoly.
Hardest push from Alex ▶ 9:14 Alex presses Girdley for concrete examples from ScalePathAlex directs Michael away from high-level generalizations by asking him specifically how he implemented the one-page strategic plan in his business ScalePath.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 4:48 Girdley's breakdown of CEO training and operating frameworksMichael educates listeners on how most business books offer theoretical feel-good advice rather than tactical operating mechanics, explaining how modern business operating systems codify universal best practices.
Alex holds their own ▶ 19:23 Alex's synthesis on abstractable operating principlesAlex demonstrates deep mastery by summarizing how operating frameworks eliminate the need to reinvent the wheel, prompting Michael to praise him and suggest he should teach the concept.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Alex as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Alex pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Discovering EOS and Comparing Business Operating Frameworks | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Alex explains how Morning Brew used Traction to scale from 20 to 300 employees and prompts Michael on why he favors EOS over other systems. Michael explains that most operating systems share core concepts, comparing them to picking a CRM. | |
| Core EOS Overview and the One-Page Business Plan | 4 | 6 | 1 | 0 | Michael delivers a masterclass on EOS, noting that 80% of business tastes like chicken and outlining the one-page strategic plan. Alex pushes Michael to provide concrete examples from his business ScalePath. | |
| Setting Ninety-Day Rocks and Driving Prioritization | 4 | 5 | 2 | 0 | Alex asks about setting 90-day rocks and goal ownership. Michael details the SMART goal criteria, single ownership rules, and EOS's strict limit of three to seven annual priorities. | |
| Mastering the Meeting Pulse and the IDS Problem-Solving Framework | 4 | 5 | 1 | 0 | Michael introduces the meeting cadence and the IDS (Identify, Discuss, Solve) framework, using a warehouse manager example. Alex chimes in to help define the acronym. | |
| Accountability Charts and Evaluating Personnel with GWC | 5 | 5 | 1 | 0 | Alex asks about seat evaluation and remembers the core elements of GWC. Michael expands on GWC (Gets it, Wants it, Capacity to do it) and contrasts accountability charts with standard org charts. | |
| Scorecards, Documented Processes, and Systematizing Company Health | 6 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Michael touches on scorecards and documenting processes. Alex provides an articulate synthesis on why abstracting operating principles helps founders stack the deck in their favor, earning direct praise from Michael. | |
| Critiquing OKRs and the Superiority of Top-Down Alignment | 5 | 4 | 6 | 0 | Michael delivers a spirited critique of OKRs as bottom-up chaos, pointing out Google's unique monopoly profits. Alex reinforces the argument by distinguishing correlation from causation. | |
| Practical Guide to Implementing EOS and Recommended Resources | 3 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Alex asks how an early-stage founder should begin implementing EOS. Michael advises self-implementing using the book until reaching 25 to 30 employees before hiring outside consultants. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Morning Brew scaled from $3M to $75M in revenue using EOS
“Since 2019, we have used EOS at Morning Brew to scale our business from 15 people and three million dollars in revenue to 300 people and seventy five million dollars in revenue.”
Michael Girdley's holding company of 12 businesses generates $100M annually
“My guest today is Michael Girdley, an entrepreneur and content creator who has a holding company of 12 businesses that do one hundred million dollars in annual revenue.”
Selecting and using any standard framework drives 70% of operational improvement
“I tell people actually, if you're going to be trying to run your business better, like, 70% of it is just picking one of the frameworks and using them.”
Scaling Up's advanced tools are unnecessary for companies under 50 employees
“There's stuff that scaling up, for example, does that is bigger and badder than what's in EOS, but a lot of times when you're, like, under 50 people, like, that stuff doesn't really matter much, so that's why I spend a lot of time talking about EOS.”
Eighty percent of business operations are universal regardless of the industry
“80% of all business tastes like chicken, and kind of the idea is, is like, every business has to do these same common things, right? You have to, like you have to have, like, a strategy. You have to have a vision. You have to You have to define your core value…”
Most CEO books are feel-good theory rather than tactical advice
“The books that you buy that teach you how to be a CEO or teach you about business or Delightfully theoretical and a bunch of feel good crap and not very tactical.”
Assigning a business goal to multiple owners means nobody is responsible
“When you apply, you know, you assign a goal to multiple people, then that means nobody's responsible for it. So, like, they will say, like, one person has to take ownership of this particular goal and go for it that way.”
Accomplishing just three to six key priorities per year drives growth
“If you look at what truly pushes businesses forward, it's like three or four things you achieve each year. Maybe five or six at most.”
EOS accountability charts outperform traditional hierarchy-based organizational charts
“Ultimately, like what it does is it creates a very powerful situation as you think about your organization, where there is an accountable person who is responsible for every function of that organization. And everybody knows what it is because there's this map…”
KPIs predict future performance while financial statements only describe the past
“And you want KPIs because it predicts your future. Your financial statements are really good at describing your past.”
Great organizations rely on top-down alignment over bottom-up goal setting
“Great organizations set a vision and head in a direction, and everybody aligns to make that happen.”
Kleiner Perkins does not actually run its venture fund on OKRs
“When John Dorris didn't share, like, they don't run their venture fund on OKRs. Like if OKRs are so good, why isn't Kleiner Perkins running OKRs?”
Companies should self-implement EOS until reaching 25 to 30 employees
“Most businesses tend to self implement And do the second option, which is read the book and then just start doing the exercises and learning the process very well until they get to about 25, 30 employees. And then at that point, the business is big enough and …”