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WCM invested in Wolwo Pharma, a high-margin Chinese dust mite monopoly.

Mike Tian · Mike Tian – Moat Trajectories and Investing in China at WCM (Capital Allocators, EP.212) · Sep 6, 2021 · at 41:37

Mike Tian, portfolio manager at WCM Investment Management, explains unusual niche champions in China to Ted Seides.

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“We're investors in a company that, believe it or not, makes dust mites. So if you have an allergy, what do you do is that, you know, if you want to, you can take a drop of basically pulverized dust mites on your tongue, and over time, your immune system will get used to it, and you wouldn't have the allergy anymore, ok? Believe it or not, there is a national champion of dust mites in China. It's a pretty much a monopoly It makes a huge margin, and it grows pretty quickly. The company's name is Wall Wall.”

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