Sarah Samuels

Partner and CIO, NEPC · 5 appearances on the record.

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Samuels leads investment strategy, asset allocation, and manager research across public and private markets for NEPC, an institutional investment consulting firm advising nearly $2 trillion in assets. She is also known for advocating financial literacy, authoring the children's book Braving Our Savings, and founding the "30 Seconds of Bravery" initiative.

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Assertion Supported
Samuels: VCs replace 75% of venture-backed founders by the time of IPO
“There's one study that found that about half of founders are replaced by VC firms who've invested in the company by the time they reach the third round of financing, and that's 75% of founders have been replaced by the time a company IPOs.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 31:37 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)

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Everything Sarah Samuels said on Capital Allocators that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight
Samuels outlines six-phase change management cycle including a critical danger zone
“The first is loss, so people don't want to change the way to do things usually because we're humans, and then doubt in the new process and their new leader, and then discomfort, and I watched all this happen. It's like a cycle. After discomfort, it's this dang…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 22:26 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Disclosure
Samuels: NEPC Assigns a Low Weight to Past Performance in Manager Model
“One is that performance is actually a pretty low weight in the model.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 23:44 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Managers Needing an Information Ratio of 2.0 Won't Succeed
“And if they need an IR of two to be successful, I don't think they're going to be very successful.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 29:19 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Smaller asset managers manage risk by gut compared to larger firms
“The larger firms generally know what their exposures are because they have risk management teams who are looking at these things. The smaller firms are much more gut-driven in general in terms of managing risk, and they are sometimes surprised.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 30:09 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Public and private specialists struggle without a common performance language
“And I think that's a big issue with teams, especially when there are specialists in long only versus specialists in privates is creating a common language. You've got multiple uninvested capital and IRR versus time way to return. You've got all sorts of differ…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 33:33 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: GPs must groom next-generation leadership at least five years before succession
“Really, you need to start grooming that next generation at least five years before it's time.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 34:54 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: On-site diligence remains essential despite remote work tools
“When it comes to the future of diligence, I do think we can do a lot more virtually, but we still need to be traveling and meeting with managers. You miss a lot of stuff when you're not there face-to-face, whether it's the dynamics of the junior person with th…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 37:50 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Assertion Supported
Samuels: Private markets AUM approaches $10 trillion, with $2 trillion in VC
“The amount of capital in private markets, it's almost 10 trillion dollars in private markets AUM, and two trillion of that is held by VC firms, which is astonishing when you think about those numbers for early stage investments.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 40:12 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Top private equity vintage returns occur during corrections and recessions
“Some of the best vintage year returns are in years like this, leading up to and during a market correction or a recession.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 41:29 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Allocators cannot successfully time private market vintage year commitments
“Don't try to time vintage your allocations to private markets. You can't do it.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 41:42 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Replicating Swensen's Yale Model Requires Differentiated Selection, Not Formulaic Allocation
“When you think about the David Swenson model, people think it's this recipe that you can replicate by just throwing ingredients into a bucket and throwing them into an asset allocation model, and you're going to get the same results. And the reality is you hav…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 43:20 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Ideal investment committees should have five to seven members
“Ideal committees should be five to seven people. It increases accountability, it increases the preparation, the discussion is different in the room”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 43:58 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Private market allocations can only increase 1.5% to 2% annually
“We went from 10 to 20% in terms of target, 10% in privates to 20%, and they want to do it overnight. You can't. You can't increase it more than one and a half to two percent a year.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 45:54 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Extended underperformance triggers founder fatigue and fund turnover
“If we have an extended period of underperformance, it's going to lead to fatigue on behalf of not only the founder, who has accumulated a great deal of wealth in this organization, and may be tempted to fold and say, you know what, I've made my money. I'd love…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 9:12 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)
Assertion Supported
Samuels: Wellington provides in-house executive coaching for senior leaders
“Wellington has a wonderful program where they are basically providing in-house executive coaching and a leadership program for managing directors and even some partners to learn about these skills, and other organizations support a coach.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 16:34 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)
Assertion Supported
Samuels: $60B to $70B has been raised for GP stake funds
“I've seen research that suggests that 60 to seventy billion dollars has been raised for GP stake funds.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 22:12 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)
Assertion Partly supported
Samuels: Oaktree floated 6% in its IPO and founders cut equity sub-15%
“They thoughtfully saw the need to begin transitioning ownership, and they had a number of liquidity events, including selling a percentage to clients and then to institutional investors via private placement, and then ultimately via an IPO, and they floated si…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 25:28 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)
Disclosure
Samuels: NEPC viewed succession as one of largest portfolio risks
“Five years ago, it was very firmly on my radar. We viewed it as one of the largest risks in our portfolio to just put things in perspective.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 46:27 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)
Insight
Samuels: Prioritize Company Quality Over Job Titles Early in Career
“Don't worry about titles. Go into the best company and you'll find amazing opportunities there.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 6:14 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Opinion
Samuels: MassPRIM Defied Stereotypes by Championing Innovation
“Some people might think that state pension funds are overly bureaucratic or risk averse, but Prim was just the opposite. We had a fantastic executive director and chief investment officer in Michael Trotsky. He's still there. He really encouraged us all to cha…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 8:48 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Assertion Supported
Samuels: MassPRIM held 240 underlying hedge fund relationships before moving direct
“Our hedge fund portfolio began a long time ago as fund of funds. We realized we had 240 underlying relationships when we looked through those dozen or so fund of funds, and we built a direct program when I was there.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 11:41 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Insight
Samuels: Generalist model works best for smaller investment offices
“We were generalists at Wellesley, which I think is a really good model. It works really well with smaller investment offices, and I learned a lot about how to think like a CIO and allocate capital across the liquidity spectrum and have perspectives on everythi…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 13:41 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Assertion Supported
Samuels: NEPC advises and manages over $1.5 trillion across 400 clients
“And we have over one and a half trillion in assets under advisement and under management. We have about 400 clients across seven different client groups.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 17:41 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)
Disclosure
NEPC tracks roughly 1,200 high-conviction focus placement managers across asset classes
“Those are the ones we spend our most time on and try to get into our clients' portfolios, and we have about 1200. So that's across equity, credit, multi-asset, hedge funds, private equity, private debt, and real assets.”
Sarah Samuels Aug 1, 2022 ▶ 18:25 Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264)

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Statements about Sarah Samuels, by other people (1)

Prediction Held up
McDaniel predicts Mass PRIM's Sarah Samuels will become a CIO
“Sarah is the deputy CIO. When you speak to her, she, you know, knows exactly what she's talking about. She's at a big public plan. She will be a CIO one day, and at that time she was she may still be in her late thirties.”
Kip McDaniel Aug 7, 2017 ▶ 22:34 Kip McDaniel – CIO Whisperer (Capital Allocators, EP.20)

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Appearances (5)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400) Aug 12, 2024 30m
Blythe Masters - Fintech Innovation at Motive Partners (EP.376) Mar 25, 2024 4m
Jonathan Tepper - Buying Monopolies at Prevatt Capital (EP.375) Mar 18, 2024 4m
Ted Seides – Unlocking Investment Wisdom (EP.352) Nov 23, 2023 3m
Sarah Samuels – Framework and Rigor at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.264) Aug 1, 2022 36m
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