Dec 9, 2021 · 58m · capital-allocators
Bill Trenchard - First Round Capital (Manager Meetings, EP.23)
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In this episode of Manager Meetings, Ahoy Capital founder Chris DuVos interviews First Round Capital partner Bill Trenchard to examine his transition from serial entrepreneur to seed investor. The conversation explores First Round's unique platform model, disciplined seed-stage strategy, founder coaching philosophy, and frameworks for disrupting legacy industries.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Ted holds 10.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Ted as informed peer 4.6 Guest teaching 6.6 Guest disagreement 0.4 Ted pushing back 0.3
speaking balance: gold is Ted, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 24:10 Critique of generic cheerleader VCs
Bill challenges the prevailing Silicon Valley convention of superficial founder friendliness, arguing that most investors merely cheerleader instead of delivering essential tough love.
Hardest push from Ted ▶ 46:40 Pushing on reference-check deal poachingChris presses Bill on whether the proliferation of angel and scout checks among operators creates predatory conflicts of interest when performing founder reference checks.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 39:00 De-biasing investment partnership discussionsBill provides an in-depth operational breakdown of First Round's silent 15-minute Airtable writing process designed to eliminate loud-voice anchoring during deal evaluation.
Ted holds their own ▶ 5:21 Chris on institutional venture due diligence methodsChris showcases sharp LP expertise by detailing how he bypassed Sand Hill Road conventional wisdom with boots-on-the-ground founder interviews to back First Round's initial fund.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Ted as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Ted pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Episode Overview: Bill Trenchard and Ahoy Capital | 8 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Ted interviews Chris DuVos as a pre-interview discussion. Chris displays immense institutional knowledge and LP expertise regarding First Round Capital's founding story, partnership transition dynamics, and LP capacity fights. | |
| Bill Trenchard's Early Passion for Technology and Computing | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | Chris opens the conversation warmly with a Calvin and Hobbes metaphor. Bill details his early exposure to 1980s personal computing and tech periodicals through his father's work at Sony. | |
| Undergrad Entrepreneurship at Cornell and Early Ties with Josh Koppelman | 5 | 6 | 1 | 1 | Chris brings up early hardware memories and Cornell's computing environment. Bill explains his early consulting venture, meeting Josh Koppelman, and developing a lasting 26-year professional partnership. | |
| Early Management Lessons and CEO Coaching | 5 | 7 | 0 | 1 | Chris uses a basketball fouling analogy to ask about early leadership mistakes. Bill openly details his lack of initial executive experience, relying on morning advisory calls with Koppelman to learn CEO basics. | |
| Scaling LiveOps and Transitioning to Seed Investing | 4 | 7 | 0 | 0 | Bill recounts navigating the dot-com crash, scaling LiveOps to $100M revenue, and discovering angel investing through IronPort and Founder Collective's seed investment in Uber. | |
| Venture Advisory Philosophy: Unvarnished Opinion, Unwavering Support | 5 | 8 | 1 | 0 | Bill contrasts cheerleading investors with those offering tough love, outlining First Round's core ethos of providing unvarnished opinions paired with unwavering support. | |
| Transitioning from Operator to Seed Investor | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Bill provides actionable advice for operators transitioning to fund managers, emphasizing fund differentiation, capital commodity realities, and evaluating the chef rather than the recipe. | |
| Sponsor Message: Ridgeline Investment Management Platform | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | Following a sponsor break, Bill explains why First Round's institutional culture and bottoms-up customer orientation for seed founders drew him in. | |
| First Round's Operating Model and Founder Support Programs | 5 | 8 | 1 | 0 | Bill explains First Round's internal operating team architecture, where the partner group acts as an independent board of directors rather than giving ad-hoc demands to staff. | |
| Structured Partner Hiring and Welcoming Meka Asonye | 5 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Bill details First Round's silent post-pitch written debriefs via Airtable to avoid loudest-voice bias, and how they applied structured funnel hiring to recruit Meka Asonye. | |
| Adapting to Market Cadence and Reference Check Dynamics | 5 | 7 | 1 | 1 | Chris inquires about fast-moving market cadence and covert fund scouts sniping deals during reference checks. Bill explains First Round's increased meeting frequency and check sizes. | |
| Investing in Dusty Industries and Flexport's Playbook | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Bill analyzes investing in legacy or dusty industries, using Flexport and Ryan Petersen's nuanced product, distribution, and business model tweaks as the prime case study. | |
| Remote Work Evolution, Culture Building, and Talent Preferences | 4 | 7 | 1 | 0 | Bill discusses post-COVID remote and hybrid working arrangements, highlighting the operational friction of partially distributed teams versus fully remote setups. | |
| Speed Round: Productivity Hacks, Tahoe, and Parental Lessons | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | In the concluding speed round, Bill shares personal productivity tools including keyboard shortcuts and email walks, alongside life lessons on persistence from his ultramarathoner mother. |
Statements from this episode (18)
Failing VC generational transitions outnumber successful ones by orders of magnitude
“The number of firms that have failed in generational transition outnumbers by orders of magnitude the numbers of firms that have had successful generational transitions.”
First Round employs 75 people across platform, investing, and content
“I mean, there's 75 people working on Platform initiatives, investing, content production, et cetera.”
First Round has historically stayed within 1.5 to 2x original fund sizes
“First Round has been historically a very size disciplined firm, whereas a lot of their peers have now grown to managing in each fund many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. They've still stayed pretty much only one and a half to two times their original si…”
Idealab raised $1 billion at the peak of the dot-com bubble
“This is late 99, early 2000. We raised a billion dollars, which was a lot of money, an unusual amount of money back then.”
Most Silicon Valley VCs default to cheerleading to protect founder-friendly reputations
“I'd say in the Valley today, there's really two types of investors and most fall in the first bucket. There's the cheerleaders and the people that'll give you the tough love. And I fall in the second bucket for sure. And I think the reason why a lot of people …”
Venture capital is commoditized; strong founders choose investors based on value-add
“Capital is a commodity now. Good founders with good ideas are making a decision about who should have their equity based on what value they bring. If they're good, they've got plenty of options for getting where they get the capital. It didn't used to be the c…”
Former operators turning VC often mistakenly evaluate ideas instead of founding teams
“Think about the chef versus the recipe. This is advice I got relatively early on in my career as an investor. Think about the team bet that you're making and whether they can execute this, not how you would execute this idea. A lot of times early on as an inve…”
Founders would likely fire half the operating staff at most VC firms
“If a founder walked into most venture firms, I think they would probably fire half the team from an operating standpoint, because it is not the thing that is traditionally driven returns is building great services and delivering great quality of service to fou…”
First Round partners act as an independent board for their operating team
“Our partnership. Acts like a board of directors for our operating team, and we've released a very much a board operating cadence with them that we meet every four months, and they present an operating plan to us. All the senior level, senior members of the tea…”
First Round partners silently score pitches in Airtable before debating disagreements
“When a founder leaves the room, we don't talk. So they come and pitch typically for an hour. We ask questions. It's relatively conversational type of approach when we, when they're pitching the partnership. And then we literally just write for about 15 minutes…”
First Round reviewed over 1,000 applications for a public venture partner listing
“We posted publicly and rethought the whole process. We said, we're hiring a new partner. We put out a post. We had a lot of people apply over a thousand people apply for the job. We looked at every single one of them.”
Seed checks of $500K to $750K no longer buy 10-15% equity
“It used to be that when we wrote a 500 K check to seven 50 K check, we could buy 10 to 15% of the company when we were early in the life of first round. That is no longer the case. That is not the market price clearing price for a seed round today.”
First Round's average initial seed investment check is now $3 million
“Seed rounds are much higher value and our average initial investments about three million dollars these days.”
First Round holds two weekly partner meetings to ensure 72-hour pitch turnarounds
“We have two partner meetings a week now rather than one. We used to have just one on Thursdays. Now we have one on Monday and one on Thursdays. And so you're never more than 72 hours from getting in front of the whole partnership.”
Venture capitalists share an unspoken rule against scooping reference-call deals
“Typically in the industry, there's an unspoken rule that you don't scoop other people's deals if you learn about it from them.”
First Round avoids calling larger funds for references to prevent deal scooping
“If they're part of a larger fund, typically we won't be calling them because we do not want to highlight the deal for them.”
Hybrid work models are often harder for individual employees than fully remote
“The partially distributed model is actually harder than the fully distributed model for a lot of the individuals, because being the one that's on the TV, on the screen, and having everyone else in a conference room feels very disconnected versus if everyone's …”