Nov 17, 2022 · 45m · capital-allocators

Melanie Pickett – Modern Technology in the Investment Office at Northern Trust (Capital Allocators, EP.281)

Melanie Pickett · 35m spoken Ted Seides · 6m spoken
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Melanie Pickett, Executive Vice President at Northern Trust, explores how Front Office Solutions was built to resolve technology deficits in institutional investment offices. The discussion examines intrapreneurship in legacy banking, alternative asset automation, and the industry-wide shift toward Total Portfolio Allocation.

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Ted as informed peer 2.5 Guest teaching 2.5 Guest disagreement 0.3 Ted pushing back 0.2
05100:0015:0030:0045:001:59–4:43 · Ted as informed peer 1/10 Early Career Path and Morgan Stanley Experience Ted opens with a standard biographical prompt. Melanie provides an extensive chronological overview of her early career from Bear Stearns through her 11 years at Morgan Stanley without friction.4:44–6:52 · Ted as informed peer 2/10 Transition to Emory University Endowment COO Ted asks how Melanie adapted her sell-side operational background to an endowment buy-side role. Melanie describes the cooperative culture among endowment COOs and establishing peer networks.6:52–10:44 · Ted as informed peer 3/10 Diagnosing the Endowment Technology Deficit Ted asks about the technology landscape Melanie inherited at Emory. Melanie explains how even elite endowments were relying on fragmented spreadsheets and investment manager hand-me-down tools.10:44–13:13 · Ted as informed peer 2/10 The Genesis of Front Office Solutions Ted inquires about the decision to leave Emory to build a commercial solution. Melanie outlines rejecting private equity buyout backing to incubate Front Office Solutions at Northern Trust.13:14–18:11 · Ted as informed peer 3/10 Expanding Scope Across Americas Asset Owner Segment Ted asks Melanie to detail the current asset owner division and its core software architecture. Melanie contrasts custody accounting books of record with modern investment books of record (IBOR).18:12–20:28 · Ted as informed peer 2/10 Operational Transformations: Family Office and Healthcare Case Studies Ted prompts for practical client case studies. Melanie details standing up middle-office systems for a $100B+ family office and consolidating systems for a large healthcare organization.20:29–26:30 · Ted as informed peer 3/10 Differentiating Through Integrated Service and Software Ownership Ted probes on competitive differentiation and the friction of operating an entrepreneurial startup within a legacy custodial bank. Melanie highlights the necessity of owning the core intellectual property and co-sourcing services.26:30–30:07 · Ted as informed peer 4/10 Evolution from Strategic to Total Portfolio Allocation Ted asks whether shifting to Total Portfolio Allocation actually produces different underlying holdings. Melanie explains that while asset exposures might appear similar, decision frequency and dynamic overlay management differ sharply.30:08–33:20 · Ted as informed peer 2/10 Digitization and Document Automation in Alternative Investments Ted asks about the technological frontier in back-office administration. Melanie details the four-stage automation workflow Northern Trust deployed for alternative investment document processing.33:20–37:07 · Ted as informed peer 4/10 Advanced Data Science and the Total Portfolio View Platform Ted brings up data science applications and Northern Trust's collaboration with major Canadian pensions. Melanie breaks down the integration of Front Office Solutions with Omnium to provide multi-asset middle-office views.37:09–43:54 · Ted as informed peer 2/10 Future Vision for Agile Client-Centric Solutions Ted guides Melanie through standard closing reflection questions. Melanie shares candid thoughts on manager opacity, entrepreneurial grit, personal blind spots, and embracing fear before growth.1:59–4:43 · Guest teaching 1/10 Early Career Path and Morgan Stanley Experience Ted opens with a standard biographical prompt. Melanie provides an extensive chronological overview of her early career from Bear Stearns through her 11 years at Morgan Stanley without friction.4:44–6:52 · Guest teaching 2/10 Transition to Emory University Endowment COO Ted asks how Melanie adapted her sell-side operational background to an endowment buy-side role. Melanie describes the cooperative culture among endowment COOs and establishing peer networks.6:52–10:44 · Guest teaching 4/10 Diagnosing the Endowment Technology Deficit Ted asks about the technology landscape Melanie inherited at Emory. Melanie explains how even elite endowments were relying on fragmented spreadsheets and investment manager hand-me-down tools.10:44–13:13 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Genesis of Front Office Solutions Ted inquires about the decision to leave Emory to build a commercial solution. Melanie outlines rejecting private equity buyout backing to incubate Front Office Solutions at Northern Trust.13:14–18:11 · Guest teaching 3/10 Expanding Scope Across Americas Asset Owner Segment Ted asks Melanie to detail the current asset owner division and its core software architecture. Melanie contrasts custody accounting books of record with modern investment books of record (IBOR).18:12–20:28 · Guest teaching 2/10 Operational Transformations: Family Office and Healthcare Case Studies Ted prompts for practical client case studies. Melanie details standing up middle-office systems for a $100B+ family office and consolidating systems for a large healthcare organization.20:29–26:30 · Guest teaching 3/10 Differentiating Through Integrated Service and Software Ownership Ted probes on competitive differentiation and the friction of operating an entrepreneurial startup within a legacy custodial bank. Melanie highlights the necessity of owning the core intellectual property and co-sourcing services.26:30–30:07 · Guest teaching 3/10 Evolution from Strategic to Total Portfolio Allocation Ted asks whether shifting to Total Portfolio Allocation actually produces different underlying holdings. Melanie explains that while asset exposures might appear similar, decision frequency and dynamic overlay management differ sharply.30:08–33:20 · Guest teaching 4/10 Digitization and Document Automation in Alternative Investments Ted asks about the technological frontier in back-office administration. Melanie details the four-stage automation workflow Northern Trust deployed for alternative investment document processing.33:20–37:07 · Guest teaching 3/10 Advanced Data Science and the Total Portfolio View Platform Ted brings up data science applications and Northern Trust's collaboration with major Canadian pensions. Melanie breaks down the integration of Front Office Solutions with Omnium to provide multi-asset middle-office views.37:09–43:54 · Guest teaching 1/10 Future Vision for Agile Client-Centric Solutions Ted guides Melanie through standard closing reflection questions. Melanie shares candid thoughts on manager opacity, entrepreneurial grit, personal blind spots, and embracing fear before growth.1:59–4:43 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Early Career Path and Morgan Stanley Experience Ted opens with a standard biographical prompt. Melanie provides an extensive chronological overview of her early career from Bear Stearns through her 11 years at Morgan Stanley without friction.4:44–6:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Transition to Emory University Endowment COO Ted asks how Melanie adapted her sell-side operational background to an endowment buy-side role. Melanie describes the cooperative culture among endowment COOs and establishing peer networks.6:52–10:44 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Diagnosing the Endowment Technology Deficit Ted asks about the technology landscape Melanie inherited at Emory. Melanie explains how even elite endowments were relying on fragmented spreadsheets and investment manager hand-me-down tools.10:44–13:13 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Genesis of Front Office Solutions Ted inquires about the decision to leave Emory to build a commercial solution. Melanie outlines rejecting private equity buyout backing to incubate Front Office Solutions at Northern Trust.13:14–18:11 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Expanding Scope Across Americas Asset Owner Segment Ted asks Melanie to detail the current asset owner division and its core software architecture. Melanie contrasts custody accounting books of record with modern investment books of record (IBOR).18:12–20:28 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Operational Transformations: Family Office and Healthcare Case Studies Ted prompts for practical client case studies. Melanie details standing up middle-office systems for a $100B+ family office and consolidating systems for a large healthcare organization.20:29–26:30 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Differentiating Through Integrated Service and Software Ownership Ted probes on competitive differentiation and the friction of operating an entrepreneurial startup within a legacy custodial bank. Melanie highlights the necessity of owning the core intellectual property and co-sourcing services.26:30–30:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Evolution from Strategic to Total Portfolio Allocation Ted asks whether shifting to Total Portfolio Allocation actually produces different underlying holdings. Melanie explains that while asset exposures might appear similar, decision frequency and dynamic overlay management differ sharply.30:08–33:20 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Digitization and Document Automation in Alternative Investments Ted asks about the technological frontier in back-office administration. Melanie details the four-stage automation workflow Northern Trust deployed for alternative investment document processing.33:20–37:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Advanced Data Science and the Total Portfolio View Platform Ted brings up data science applications and Northern Trust's collaboration with major Canadian pensions. Melanie breaks down the integration of Front Office Solutions with Omnium to provide multi-asset middle-office views.37:09–43:54 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Future Vision for Agile Client-Centric Solutions Ted guides Melanie through standard closing reflection questions. Melanie shares candid thoughts on manager opacity, entrepreneurial grit, personal blind spots, and embracing fear before growth.1:59–4:43 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Early Career Path and Morgan Stanley Experience Ted opens with a standard biographical prompt. Melanie provides an extensive chronological overview of her early career from Bear Stearns through her 11 years at Morgan Stanley without friction.4:44–6:52 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Transition to Emory University Endowment COO Ted asks how Melanie adapted her sell-side operational background to an endowment buy-side role. Melanie describes the cooperative culture among endowment COOs and establishing peer networks.6:52–10:44 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Diagnosing the Endowment Technology Deficit Ted asks about the technology landscape Melanie inherited at Emory. Melanie explains how even elite endowments were relying on fragmented spreadsheets and investment manager hand-me-down tools.10:44–13:13 · Ted pushing back 0/10 The Genesis of Front Office Solutions Ted inquires about the decision to leave Emory to build a commercial solution. Melanie outlines rejecting private equity buyout backing to incubate Front Office Solutions at Northern Trust.13:14–18:11 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Expanding Scope Across Americas Asset Owner Segment Ted asks Melanie to detail the current asset owner division and its core software architecture. Melanie contrasts custody accounting books of record with modern investment books of record (IBOR).18:12–20:28 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Operational Transformations: Family Office and Healthcare Case Studies Ted prompts for practical client case studies. Melanie details standing up middle-office systems for a $100B+ family office and consolidating systems for a large healthcare organization.20:29–26:30 · Ted pushing back 1/10 Differentiating Through Integrated Service and Software Ownership Ted probes on competitive differentiation and the friction of operating an entrepreneurial startup within a legacy custodial bank. Melanie highlights the necessity of owning the core intellectual property and co-sourcing services.26:30–30:07 · Ted pushing back 1/10 Evolution from Strategic to Total Portfolio Allocation Ted asks whether shifting to Total Portfolio Allocation actually produces different underlying holdings. Melanie explains that while asset exposures might appear similar, decision frequency and dynamic overlay management differ sharply.30:08–33:20 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Digitization and Document Automation in Alternative Investments Ted asks about the technological frontier in back-office administration. Melanie details the four-stage automation workflow Northern Trust deployed for alternative investment document processing.33:20–37:07 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Advanced Data Science and the Total Portfolio View Platform Ted brings up data science applications and Northern Trust's collaboration with major Canadian pensions. Melanie breaks down the integration of Front Office Solutions with Omnium to provide multi-asset middle-office views.37:09–43:54 · Ted pushing back 0/10 Future Vision for Agile Client-Centric Solutions Ted guides Melanie through standard closing reflection questions. Melanie shares candid thoughts on manager opacity, entrepreneurial grit, personal blind spots, and embracing fear before growth.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 38:50 Critique of investment managers withholding transparency

Melanie strongly criticizes alternative asset managers who resist transparency, emphasizing that allocators are not attempting to reverse-engineer strategies but need basic exposure visibility.

Hardest push from Ted ▶ 28:59 Ted questions practical differences between SAA and TPA

Ted challenges the conceptual distinction between Strategic Asset Allocation and Total Portfolio Allocation by asking if underlying portfolio exposures actually look any different.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:50 Exposing the tech deficit in top-tier endowments

Melanie educates listeners on how leading multi-billion dollar endowments and foundations rely on fragmented spreadsheets and hand-me-down manager systems rather than fit-for-purpose allocator tools.

Ted holds their own ▶ 28:59 Ted articulates institutional asset allocation mechanics

Ted displays institutional allocation expertise by probing whether new allocation frameworks fundamentally alter underlying portfolio composition or merely alter framing.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicTed as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementTed pushing backWhy
Early Career Path and Morgan Stanley Experience 1100 Ted opens with a standard biographical prompt. Melanie provides an extensive chronological overview of her early career from Bear Stearns through her 11 years at Morgan Stanley without friction.
Transition to Emory University Endowment COO 2200 Ted asks how Melanie adapted her sell-side operational background to an endowment buy-side role. Melanie describes the cooperative culture among endowment COOs and establishing peer networks.
Diagnosing the Endowment Technology Deficit 3410 Ted asks about the technology landscape Melanie inherited at Emory. Melanie explains how even elite endowments were relying on fragmented spreadsheets and investment manager hand-me-down tools.
The Genesis of Front Office Solutions 2200 Ted inquires about the decision to leave Emory to build a commercial solution. Melanie outlines rejecting private equity buyout backing to incubate Front Office Solutions at Northern Trust.
Expanding Scope Across Americas Asset Owner Segment 3300 Ted asks Melanie to detail the current asset owner division and its core software architecture. Melanie contrasts custody accounting books of record with modern investment books of record (IBOR).
Operational Transformations: Family Office and Healthcare Case Studies 2200 Ted prompts for practical client case studies. Melanie details standing up middle-office systems for a $100B+ family office and consolidating systems for a large healthcare organization.
Differentiating Through Integrated Service and Software Ownership 3311 Ted probes on competitive differentiation and the friction of operating an entrepreneurial startup within a legacy custodial bank. Melanie highlights the necessity of owning the core intellectual property and co-sourcing services.
Evolution from Strategic to Total Portfolio Allocation 4301 Ted asks whether shifting to Total Portfolio Allocation actually produces different underlying holdings. Melanie explains that while asset exposures might appear similar, decision frequency and dynamic overlay management differ sharply.
Digitization and Document Automation in Alternative Investments 2400 Ted asks about the technological frontier in back-office administration. Melanie details the four-stage automation workflow Northern Trust deployed for alternative investment document processing.
Advanced Data Science and the Total Portfolio View Platform 4300 Ted brings up data science applications and Northern Trust's collaboration with major Canadian pensions. Melanie breaks down the integration of Front Office Solutions with Omnium to provide multi-asset middle-office views.
Future Vision for Agile Client-Centric Solutions 2110 Ted guides Melanie through standard closing reflection questions. Melanie shares candid thoughts on manager opacity, entrepreneurial grit, personal blind spots, and embracing fear before growth.

Statements from this episode (20)

Insight
Endowments do not compete against each other except on annual returns
“Endowments and foundations don't compete against each other, right, except once a year when the press comes out on the returns, and so there's this really amazing community of COOs and others who talk all the time.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 6:26
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Harvard, Stanford, and Yale endowments struggled with inadequate software and spreadsheets
“And so I would walk naively into Harvard or Stanford or Yale, these institutions that are so well-respected in the industry and doing amazing work, They were still struggling with their tool sets as well. No one had figured it out”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 8:37
Insight
Institutional investors rely on manual spreadsheets across fragmented software systems
“As much as every institution has some sort of permutation of a CRM system and a performance system and a risk system in some way that they're tracking liquidity and they have a custodian, they still are responsible for shipping data between those systems and m…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 10:27
Opinion
Asset allocators historically relied on asset manager technology hand-me-downs
“Allocators kept getting Investment manager hand-me-downs, or they kept getting in bed with firms that would really service their asset manager clients before them.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 12:30
Assertion Supported
Northern Trust's Front Office Solutions reached $450B in AUA
“So we have north of four hundred and fifty billion on the platform now. We launched about three and a half years ago.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 13:28
Assertion Supported
Asset owner business generates 20% of Northern Trust's total revenue
“It's about half of Northern's assets under custody at large, and it's about 20% of the bank's revenue, so it's a really big, important business for Northern.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 13:57
Insight
Custodial books are insufficient for institutional investment decision-making
“Accounting books and custody books are not really fit for purpose for making investment decisions, and so they're meant to be monthly, they're meant to be settlement date based, and as asset owners and allocators started making more investment decisions in-hou…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 14:49
Disclosure
Northern Trust built middle office for $100B+ spin-out family office
“Really our second client was one of the world's largest family offices... We weren't converting off of other systems as much as trying to build the history of their book, and we did that north of a hundred billion in assets and did that for all the family memb…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 18:28
Insight
Asset allocators are consolidating tech vendors to fewer deep partners
“What we see is clients who do that tend to realize, just like their investment partners, they don't want hundreds of investment managers, right? They want stronger, deeper relationships with fewer investment managers. The same thing is happening on the service…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 19:34
Insight
VC-backed fintech capital structures are unsuited for operational service margins
“In fact, the capital structures of most of these VC backed fintechs are not well suited to offer operational services just because the revenue and margin looks very different, right?”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 20:56
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Asset custody is highly commoditized and faces growing pricing pressure
“While custody and safekeeping is really important, it's a big, beautiful business for Northern. [1523] Melanie Pickett: It's highly commoditized and pricing pressure is significant and growing by the day.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 25:19
Disclosure
Northern Trust's Front Office Solutions has gated annual client onboarding
“To this day, we've still never made a cold call to try to get business into front office solutions. [1565] Melanie Pickett: We've had to gate our onboardings every single year. [1568] Melanie Pickett: We've had to gate client demand because we've had so much d…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 26:00
Assertion Supported
WTW study: Shift to total portfolio allocation adds 150 basis points
“WTW put out a study through their Thinking Ahead Institute recently that the shift from strategic asset allocation to total portfolio allocation, most CIOs or investment offices think that that can add a 150 bips to their portfolio.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 28:15
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Institutional shift toward data-driven portfolio allocation is irreversible
“Not everyone's going to make that shift immediately. It's the big sovereigns and the big supers that are doing it right now. But we believe that the data-driven approach to asset allocation is a change that people are not going to reverse. That's going to only…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 28:47
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Pickett's former investment office received 30,000+ annual manager communications
“In my prior life, we received 30,000 plus communications from managers on an annual basis.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 31:33
Disclosure
Northern Trust automated alternative investment document retrieval using Python
“We've completed an effort to completely roboticize using Python and robotics, going out and getting the documents off the portals and pulling them into our systems automatically.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 32:04
Disclosure
Northern Trust integrates Citadel-acquired Omnium into Front Office Solutions
“We're taking two systems at Northern Trust. One, the front office solution system, which does have an incredible data model around alternatives, and combining that with the power of a system that we bought called Omnium, which we bought from Citadel.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 35:06
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Pickett estimates 200 global investors run complex alts and internal trading
“And so for our investors, there's probably 200 in the world that have very highly complex alts portfolios, but also do significant internal trading.”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 35:26
Insight
Institutional allocators reject separate systems for public and private data
“BlackRock and certainly the work that they've done to acquire eFront and try to pull together Aladdin and eFront, these are all the same indicators, right? That clients no longer want their public markets data and their private markets data into separate syste…”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 35:59
Insight
Asset owners want manager transparency for risk, not front-running
“Asset owners are not trying to reverse engineer portfolios or front run your trades. They're really just trying to understand their exposure and understand their risk”
Melanie Pickett Nov 17, 2022 ▶ 39:05
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