Feb 5, 2026 · 57m · capital-allocators
Brendan O'Connor – Alpha Opportunities in Australia at Regal Partners (EP.485)
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Brendan O'Connor, CEO of Regal Partners, explains how the firm scaled from an A$1B boutique into an A$21B publicly listed multi-strategy alternative asset manager. He outlines how Regal capitalizes on Australia's resource-rich economy and A$4 trillion superannuation market by originating high-conviction investments across equities, private credit, natural assets, and growth capital.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Ted holds 11.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Ted as informed peer 3.1 Guest teaching 2.6 Guest disagreement 0.3 Ted pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Ted, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 52:04 Rejecting Naive AUM Gathering Targets
Brendan forcefully dismisses the standard industry practice of declaring arbitrary AUM targets like 'flag on the hill, we're going to be a hundred billion,' arguing it is a crude measure that incentivizes low-margin underperformance.
Hardest push from Ted ▶ 12:50 Challenging the Insurance Annuity Asset Management ModelTed presses Brendan to analyze the inherent conflicts and weaknesses of pairing fixed-annuity insurance balance sheets with public asset management, drawing parallels to large US managers.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 38:40 Masterclass on Australian Water Rights and Ag ConversionBrendan delivers an authoritative breakdown of Australia's cap-and-trade water rights framework, explaining how institutional conversion from dairy to high-margin crops drives outsized lease yields.
Ted holds their own ▶ 12:50 Framing Global Annuity Consolidation TrendsTed demonstrates sharp industry knowledge by immediately connecting Challenger's historic Australian business model to the recent structural wave of insurance acquisitions across major US alternative asset managers.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Ted as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Ted pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Show Promotion and Transition to Conversation | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Ted opens with show housekeeping and introduces Brendan's personal background, leading to an amicable conversation about growing up in regional New South Wales with seven siblings. | |
| Auditing at KPMG and Australian Financial Sector Reforms | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Brendan details his early career in audit at KPMG and his transition to Westpac, explaining how microeconomic reforms and rapid credit growth shaped Australia's banking oligopoly. | |
| Managing Assets and Annuities at Challenger Through the GFC | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Ted asks an insightful question connecting Challenger's annuity-backed asset management model to similar large-scale public asset management structures in the United States. Brendan explains the cultural conflict between balance sheet investing and fiduciary duty. | |
| Joining Regal Partners and Setting the Multi-Strategy Vision | 4 | 6 | 1 | 0 | Brendan delivers an extensive briefing on the structural uniqueness of the Australian market, highlighting its heavy weighting toward financials and resources, the $4 trillion superannuation system, and why domestic fund internalization creates opportunities for alternatives. | |
| Technical Mining Expertise and the Critical Resource Boom | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Brendan outlines Regal's technical edge in mining and critical minerals, describing how having in-house mining engineers and geologists enables them to originate opportunities directly as an OEM. | |
| Scaling Regal from A$1B to A$21B Across Alternative Asset Classes | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Ted probes the growth trajectory from A$1B to A$21B and best practices in asset management acquisitions. Brendan emphasizes assessing founder motivations and proven edge. | |
| Building a Centralized Operating and Governance Infrastructure | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Brendan explains the integration of centralized distribution, risk, and compliance infrastructure across Regal, as well as capitalizing on the returning Australian financial diaspora for talent. | |
| Institutionalizing Risk Management and Leadership Appointments | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Brendan highlights the objective nature of performance in asset management and the strategic value of hiring a dedicated Chief Risk Officer to optimize risk-adjusted returns rather than simply enforce limits. | |
| Cultivating an Achievement-Driven Culture and Cross-Strategy Synergy | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Ted and Brendan discuss aligning incentives across teams while managing information barriers, reinforcing an institutional culture that rewards achievement over mere effort. | |
| Core Investment Pillars: Contrarianism, Private Debt, and Growth Equity | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Brendan explains why Regal avoids crowded Australian commercial property debt to focus on niche ag/infrastructure debt and early pre-IPO growth equity backing global winners like BNPL leaders. | |
| Natural Assets Strategy and Australian Water Rights | 3 | 7 | 0 | 0 | Brendan delivers an educational overview of Australia's cap-and-trade water rights system, illustrating how shifting historical farming allocations toward high-margin crops like almonds and avocados drives attractive lease returns and capital appreciation. | |
| Accessing Alpha: Regal's Multi-Strategy Vehicle for Global Allocators | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Ted asks about the practical entry points for global allocators and the underwriting process. Brendan walks through Regal's four-step investment framework: valuation, macro backdrop, catalyst, and market edge. | |
| Establishing the 'Right to Play' and the Case for Alternatives | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Brendan contrasts Regal's alternative strategies against legacy long-only Australian asset managers, arguing that changing macroeconomic realities demand alternatives where managers have a clear right to play. | |
| Going Public on the ASX: Catalysts, Governance, and Trade-offs | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Brendan explains the rationale behind listing on the ASX via a reverse merger, detailing the advantages of enhanced independent governance and currency for acquisitions against increased media scrutiny. | |
| Long-Term Vision: Prioritizing Alpha Over Pure Asset Gathering | 3 | 2 | 2 | 0 | Brendan pushes back against the conventional asset management habit of setting arbitrary AUM milestones, stating that Regal prioritizes alpha generation and eating its own cooking over low-margin asset gathering, before answering closing personal questions. | |
| Sponsorship Announcement and Legal Disclaimer | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Monologue sponsored insight disclosure read by Ted followed by standard legal disclaimer voiceover. |
Statements from this episode (17)
O'Connor: Australian credit expanded at 10% annually into the 2000s
“Interestingly, credit growth in Australia was growing at 10% per annum and hadn't been less than 10% for many, many years. And so you had this huge growth in leverage coming into the household sector that drove the profits of the banks.”
O'Connor: Life insurers and asset managers share an 'oil and water' culture
“It's a oil and water culture in many respects. The life insurer is a ruthless IRR investor. It has a bias to its IRR to cash paying on a regular basis because it's trying to match its cash flows as much as its assets and liabilities, but ultimately it is a inv…”
O'Connor: Financials and Resources Form 55% of Australian Equity Market
“Financials and materials, materials, think of resource companies. Represent about 55% of the market.”
O'Connor: Australian resources shrunk from 65% of the equity market to 25%
“Resources today represents about 25% of the equity market. If you go back to the late sixties and seventies, resources as a percentage of the Australian market was as much as 65%.”
O'Connor: Deglobalization and sticky inflation are highly bullish for natural resources
“We're in a world with high for longer sticky inflation, certainly a breakdown of the free trade agreements that were happening so easily. Previously, there's a lot of re-onshoring. Unfortunately, we've seen the best of the geopolitical environment from securit…”
O'Connor: Australia's big banks and telecom giants are practically ex-growth
“The big companies in Australia, the big four banks, Telstra, the big telecommunications company, exclude BHP and Rio, those big companies are ex-growth. They are growing very slowly with maybe two to three percent EPS growth over the years ahead. The real grow…”
O'Connor: Australia holds the world's fourth-largest pension pool at $4 trillion
“Within a 36 year period, Australia has accumulated four trillion dollars of superannuation savings, meaning it's the fourth largest pension system in the world, Yet our population is something like the 50th largest in the world.”
O'Connor: Australia Is Well Positioned to Benefit From AI Energy Spending
“Australia is really well placed to be a beneficiary riding that wave of increased spending.”
O'Connor: Passive Domestic Investing Leaves Alpha in Technical Resource Expertise
“We have been very constructive on the resource sector for a long period of time now, because the domestic investors have largely been passive, and the resource sector takes some real technical expertise.”
O'Connor: Regal Partners grew from A$1B in 2016 to A$21B
“We had about a billion dollars Aussie in long short equity strategies. Back in late, 2016 when I joined. We're now about twenty one billion Aussie.”
O'Connor: Regal is the largest pre-IPO investor in Australia
“We're the largest pre IPO investor for companies in Australia.”
Regal Partners avoids standard property debt to focus on agriculture and infrastructure
“When we're talking about deploying debt to a lending opportunity, we have no competitive advantage trying to compete against everyone else trying to provide debt to established properties. We're looking to provide debt to agricultural opportunities or to the d…”
Regal is one of Australia's largest non-bank agricultural debt providers
“We're one of the largest providers outside the big four banks of agricultural debt to the Australian agricultural market.”
O'Connor: Regal is the largest private owner of Australian water rights
“One of the adjacencies to that is we're the largest owner of water rights outside the Commonwealth Government in Australia.”
O'Connor: Water rights are a better agricultural investment than Australian farmland
“Australia is the driest continent on earth. And there's a lot less water compared to land. So water is a better way to pay the agricultural exposure.”
O'Connor: Long-only equities and fixed income cannot deliver required portfolio growth
“I don't believe that that's the future for investors looking to achieve growth in their portfolio. Given that backdrop of Higher for longer inflation, sticky inflation, breakdown of some of the free trade agreements that were happening and lowering costs befor…”
O'Connor: Being a listed asset manager provides highly valuable acquisition currency
“The benefits being listed ultimately outweigh the negatives. The other benefit I'd say is that it's given us a currency, i.e. The share price, that we can use to help acquire investment capability, and that has been powerful in helping us grow.”