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Marcus: OpenAI's Project Orion failed and became GPT-4.5
“So OpenAI tried to build GPT-V and they had a thing called Project Orion and it actually failed. And eventually got released as GPT four and a half. So what they thought was going to be GPT five just didn't meet expectations.”
Morris: OpenAI will not declare GPT-5 as AGI
“I hate to make bold predictions, especially in tech, because you can often be spectacularly wrong, but I do not think they're going to say GPT-V is anything approaching AGI, however you choose to define it.”
GPT-5 will enable autonomous agents to execute UI tasks for hours
“Then we're gonna see much more multimodal data, and I think that'll look a lot like the equivalent of supervised fine-tuning, but for a bunch of people recording their screen and doing workflows with their screen, navigating UIs. So I think you'll have agents …”
Lightcap: GPT-5 bakes in tool use and longer-horizon reasoning
“So using tools, for example, is something that really thinks really important for overall intelligence, GPT two and three couldn't really do that as well. GPT-IV could do it in a more nascent way. And now GPT-V, you get that baked in with the benefit of these …”
Lightcap: Base GPT-5 beats GPT-4o even without added reasoning time
“Even though if you don't allow any thinking time you still get a typically net better answer than you would for one of our non-thinking models like GPT-IV-I.”
Lightcap: GPT-5 beats previous models on SWE-bench and health benchmarks
“It scores better on things like Sweebench. It scores better on all the kind of academic evals that we put it through. This one in particular, we actually made a real emphasis to have it score better on certain health benchmarks. So It's better at medical reaso…”
Patel: GPT-5 will simultaneously scale pre-training and post-training reasoning
“And so now GPT-Five, as Sam calls it, is, is gonna be a model that has huge pre-training scale, right? Like GPT-Five, but also huge post-training scale, Like O-one and O-three and continuing to scale that up, right? This would be the first time we see a model …”
Kantrowitz: OpenAI is unlikely to release GPT-5 in 2025 or ever
“Again, I doubt we're seeing GPT-V this year, or maybe ever.”
GPT-5 will have noticeably improved reasoning capabilities from step-by-step training
“I think it'll definitely be better at reasoning, which is trivial to say, because the training methods that we've seen them talk about, like you, I'm sure you heard the talk about Q star and what it seems to be is training the model to rewarding it on getting …”