Michael Pollan explains why modern science historically avoided investigating consciousness, ceding the study of subjective lived experience to religion.
“And now we'll take everything measurable and quantifiable. And the church, you can have everything subjective and qualitative. That was Galileo's deal and Descartes to some extent. And it was a very pragmatic deal, but it's left us with a science that's ill-equipped to study what they left by the roadside, which is to say subjectivity.”
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