Dec 24, 2025 · 40m · big-technology

2025 In Review, 2026 Predictions: Meta, NVIDIA, Tesla, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft

Reed Albergotti · 24m spoken Alex Kantrowitz · 12m spoken
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In this special annual forecast episode of the Big Technology Podcast, host Alex Kantrowitz and Semafor Technology Editor Reid Albergati review the major AI milestones of 2025 and deliver strategic, company-by-company predictions for 2026 across Big Tech leaders.

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Alex as informed peer 5.6 Guest teaching 2.0 Guest disagreement 2.0 Alex pushing back 2.3
05100:0015:0030:000:00–3:25 · Alex as informed peer 5/10 Welcome and Setting the 2026 Prediction Stage Alex and Reid establish a collaborative tone reviewing 2025 tech themes, focusing on massive compute scaling and data centers. Alex provides a structured multi-year recap of generative AI's evolution since ChatGPT launched, which Reid enthusiastically validates.3:26–5:28 · Alex as informed peer 5/10 Framing 2026: Shift to Products and Potential Chaos Reid frames 2026 as a plateau in raw model capability excitement in favor of consumer product deployment. Alex slightly counter-balances this framing by predicting 2026 will be defined by financial chaos and infrastructure overbuilding.5:29–10:11 · Alex as informed peer 6/10 Meta: Superintelligence Lab Tensions and Open Source Shifts Alex questions Meta's superintelligence ROI and model competitiveness post-Llama 3. Reid pushes back against the conventional race framing, arguing Meta only needs good-enough backend models for eyeball farming, prompting Alex to raise the threat of conversational AI companionship siphoning engagement.10:11–15:47 · Alex as informed peer 7/10 OpenAI: Transition from Research Lab to Consumer Giant Reid argues OpenAI is strictly a consumer product company that does not need leading frontier models. Alex directly challenges this assertion, citing internal company reactions to Gemini and arguing that investor capital relies entirely on maintaining frontier leadership.15:47–21:59 · Alex as informed peer 5/10 Google: Gemini Evaluation, Search Disruption, and Ecosystem Strengths Alex critiques Gemini's user experience as underwhelming and superficial like an Axios summary. Reid educates on Google's broader strategic positioning, explaining their search cannibalization dilemma alongside deep moats in Waymo, quantum computing, and custom TPU inference infrastructure.22:00–25:17 · Alex as informed peer 6/10 Amazon: Conversational Commerce and Custom Trainium Silicon Alex pitches headlines regarding Amazon embedding conversational shopping with Anthropic/OpenAI and Tim Cook potentially stepping down from Apple. Reid builds on the Amazon custom Trainium chip dynamics and validates the strategic pressures facing Apple.25:19–30:16 · Alex as informed peer 5/10 Tesla and Autonomous Vehicles: FSD Breakthroughs vs. Waymo Alex shares his positive experience testing Tesla FSD in Dallas and asks why Waymo retains higher industry credibility. Reid explains the architectural divergence between Waymo's expensive lidar setup and Tesla's camera-based end-to-end foundation model approach.30:17–34:30 · Alex as informed peer 6/10 NVIDIA, Microsoft Copilot, Media M&A, and Anthropic IPO Alex runs through rapid-fire predictions covering Nvidia valuation volatility, Microsoft Copilot enterprise dissatisfaction, and an Anthropic IPO. Reid generally agrees while adding color on Office product stickiness and M&A regulatory shifts under the new administration.34:31–40:08 · Alex as informed peer 5/10 Wildcard Predictions: SPAC Resurgence, AI Companionship, and Data Privacy Reid offers contrarian wildcard predictions about SPACs returning for deep tech and state-backed ventures, which Alex playfully teases. Alex predicts a boom in human-AI romantic relationships, leading Reid to highlight imminent legal and privacy backlashes over cloud-stored chatbot confessions.0:00–3:25 · Guest teaching 1/10 Welcome and Setting the 2026 Prediction Stage Alex and Reid establish a collaborative tone reviewing 2025 tech themes, focusing on massive compute scaling and data centers. Alex provides a structured multi-year recap of generative AI's evolution since ChatGPT launched, which Reid enthusiastically validates.3:26–5:28 · Guest teaching 1/10 Framing 2026: Shift to Products and Potential Chaos Reid frames 2026 as a plateau in raw model capability excitement in favor of consumer product deployment. Alex slightly counter-balances this framing by predicting 2026 will be defined by financial chaos and infrastructure overbuilding.5:29–10:11 · Guest teaching 2/10 Meta: Superintelligence Lab Tensions and Open Source Shifts Alex questions Meta's superintelligence ROI and model competitiveness post-Llama 3. Reid pushes back against the conventional race framing, arguing Meta only needs good-enough backend models for eyeball farming, prompting Alex to raise the threat of conversational AI companionship siphoning engagement.10:11–15:47 · Guest teaching 2/10 OpenAI: Transition from Research Lab to Consumer Giant Reid argues OpenAI is strictly a consumer product company that does not need leading frontier models. Alex directly challenges this assertion, citing internal company reactions to Gemini and arguing that investor capital relies entirely on maintaining frontier leadership.15:47–21:59 · Guest teaching 4/10 Google: Gemini Evaluation, Search Disruption, and Ecosystem Strengths Alex critiques Gemini's user experience as underwhelming and superficial like an Axios summary. Reid educates on Google's broader strategic positioning, explaining their search cannibalization dilemma alongside deep moats in Waymo, quantum computing, and custom TPU inference infrastructure.22:00–25:17 · Guest teaching 1/10 Amazon: Conversational Commerce and Custom Trainium Silicon Alex pitches headlines regarding Amazon embedding conversational shopping with Anthropic/OpenAI and Tim Cook potentially stepping down from Apple. Reid builds on the Amazon custom Trainium chip dynamics and validates the strategic pressures facing Apple.25:19–30:16 · Guest teaching 4/10 Tesla and Autonomous Vehicles: FSD Breakthroughs vs. Waymo Alex shares his positive experience testing Tesla FSD in Dallas and asks why Waymo retains higher industry credibility. Reid explains the architectural divergence between Waymo's expensive lidar setup and Tesla's camera-based end-to-end foundation model approach.30:17–34:30 · Guest teaching 1/10 NVIDIA, Microsoft Copilot, Media M&A, and Anthropic IPO Alex runs through rapid-fire predictions covering Nvidia valuation volatility, Microsoft Copilot enterprise dissatisfaction, and an Anthropic IPO. Reid generally agrees while adding color on Office product stickiness and M&A regulatory shifts under the new administration.34:31–40:08 · Guest teaching 2/10 Wildcard Predictions: SPAC Resurgence, AI Companionship, and Data Privacy Reid offers contrarian wildcard predictions about SPACs returning for deep tech and state-backed ventures, which Alex playfully teases. Alex predicts a boom in human-AI romantic relationships, leading Reid to highlight imminent legal and privacy backlashes over cloud-stored chatbot confessions.0:00–3:25 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Welcome and Setting the 2026 Prediction Stage Alex and Reid establish a collaborative tone reviewing 2025 tech themes, focusing on massive compute scaling and data centers. Alex provides a structured multi-year recap of generative AI's evolution since ChatGPT launched, which Reid enthusiastically validates.3:26–5:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Framing 2026: Shift to Products and Potential Chaos Reid frames 2026 as a plateau in raw model capability excitement in favor of consumer product deployment. Alex slightly counter-balances this framing by predicting 2026 will be defined by financial chaos and infrastructure overbuilding.5:29–10:11 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Meta: Superintelligence Lab Tensions and Open Source Shifts Alex questions Meta's superintelligence ROI and model competitiveness post-Llama 3. Reid pushes back against the conventional race framing, arguing Meta only needs good-enough backend models for eyeball farming, prompting Alex to raise the threat of conversational AI companionship siphoning engagement.10:11–15:47 · Guest disagreement 4/10 OpenAI: Transition from Research Lab to Consumer Giant Reid argues OpenAI is strictly a consumer product company that does not need leading frontier models. Alex directly challenges this assertion, citing internal company reactions to Gemini and arguing that investor capital relies entirely on maintaining frontier leadership.15:47–21:59 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Google: Gemini Evaluation, Search Disruption, and Ecosystem Strengths Alex critiques Gemini's user experience as underwhelming and superficial like an Axios summary. Reid educates on Google's broader strategic positioning, explaining their search cannibalization dilemma alongside deep moats in Waymo, quantum computing, and custom TPU inference infrastructure.22:00–25:17 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Amazon: Conversational Commerce and Custom Trainium Silicon Alex pitches headlines regarding Amazon embedding conversational shopping with Anthropic/OpenAI and Tim Cook potentially stepping down from Apple. Reid builds on the Amazon custom Trainium chip dynamics and validates the strategic pressures facing Apple.25:19–30:16 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Tesla and Autonomous Vehicles: FSD Breakthroughs vs. Waymo Alex shares his positive experience testing Tesla FSD in Dallas and asks why Waymo retains higher industry credibility. Reid explains the architectural divergence between Waymo's expensive lidar setup and Tesla's camera-based end-to-end foundation model approach.30:17–34:30 · Guest disagreement 2/10 NVIDIA, Microsoft Copilot, Media M&A, and Anthropic IPO Alex runs through rapid-fire predictions covering Nvidia valuation volatility, Microsoft Copilot enterprise dissatisfaction, and an Anthropic IPO. Reid generally agrees while adding color on Office product stickiness and M&A regulatory shifts under the new administration.34:31–40:08 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Wildcard Predictions: SPAC Resurgence, AI Companionship, and Data Privacy Reid offers contrarian wildcard predictions about SPACs returning for deep tech and state-backed ventures, which Alex playfully teases. Alex predicts a boom in human-AI romantic relationships, leading Reid to highlight imminent legal and privacy backlashes over cloud-stored chatbot confessions.0:00–3:25 · Alex pushing back 1/10 Welcome and Setting the 2026 Prediction Stage Alex and Reid establish a collaborative tone reviewing 2025 tech themes, focusing on massive compute scaling and data centers. Alex provides a structured multi-year recap of generative AI's evolution since ChatGPT launched, which Reid enthusiastically validates.3:26–5:28 · Alex pushing back 2/10 Framing 2026: Shift to Products and Potential Chaos Reid frames 2026 as a plateau in raw model capability excitement in favor of consumer product deployment. Alex slightly counter-balances this framing by predicting 2026 will be defined by financial chaos and infrastructure overbuilding.5:29–10:11 · Alex pushing back 3/10 Meta: Superintelligence Lab Tensions and Open Source Shifts Alex questions Meta's superintelligence ROI and model competitiveness post-Llama 3. Reid pushes back against the conventional race framing, arguing Meta only needs good-enough backend models for eyeball farming, prompting Alex to raise the threat of conversational AI companionship siphoning engagement.10:11–15:47 · Alex pushing back 6/10 OpenAI: Transition from Research Lab to Consumer Giant Reid argues OpenAI is strictly a consumer product company that does not need leading frontier models. Alex directly challenges this assertion, citing internal company reactions to Gemini and arguing that investor capital relies entirely on maintaining frontier leadership.15:47–21:59 · Alex pushing back 2/10 Google: Gemini Evaluation, Search Disruption, and Ecosystem Strengths Alex critiques Gemini's user experience as underwhelming and superficial like an Axios summary. Reid educates on Google's broader strategic positioning, explaining their search cannibalization dilemma alongside deep moats in Waymo, quantum computing, and custom TPU inference infrastructure.22:00–25:17 · Alex pushing back 1/10 Amazon: Conversational Commerce and Custom Trainium Silicon Alex pitches headlines regarding Amazon embedding conversational shopping with Anthropic/OpenAI and Tim Cook potentially stepping down from Apple. Reid builds on the Amazon custom Trainium chip dynamics and validates the strategic pressures facing Apple.25:19–30:16 · Alex pushing back 2/10 Tesla and Autonomous Vehicles: FSD Breakthroughs vs. Waymo Alex shares his positive experience testing Tesla FSD in Dallas and asks why Waymo retains higher industry credibility. Reid explains the architectural divergence between Waymo's expensive lidar setup and Tesla's camera-based end-to-end foundation model approach.30:17–34:30 · Alex pushing back 2/10 NVIDIA, Microsoft Copilot, Media M&A, and Anthropic IPO Alex runs through rapid-fire predictions covering Nvidia valuation volatility, Microsoft Copilot enterprise dissatisfaction, and an Anthropic IPO. Reid generally agrees while adding color on Office product stickiness and M&A regulatory shifts under the new administration.34:31–40:08 · Alex pushing back 2/10 Wildcard Predictions: SPAC Resurgence, AI Companionship, and Data Privacy Reid offers contrarian wildcard predictions about SPACs returning for deep tech and state-backed ventures, which Alex playfully teases. Alex predicts a boom in human-AI romantic relationships, leading Reid to highlight imminent legal and privacy backlashes over cloud-stored chatbot confessions.

speaking balance: gold is Alex, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Alex 68.4% · guest 31.6%0:00 · Alex 68.4% · guest 31.6%3:00 · Alex 45.3% · guest 54.7%3:00 · Alex 45.3% · guest 54.7%6:00 · Alex 20.3% · guest 79.7%6:00 · Alex 20.3% · guest 79.7%9:00 · Alex 37.4% · guest 62.6%9:00 · Alex 37.4% · guest 62.6%12:00 · Alex 26.4% · guest 73.6%12:00 · Alex 26.4% · guest 73.6%15:00 · Alex 50.2% · guest 49.8%15:00 · Alex 50.2% · guest 49.8%18:00 · Alex 14.8% · guest 85.2%18:00 · Alex 14.8% · guest 85.2%21:00 · Alex 33.7% · guest 66.3%21:00 · Alex 33.7% · guest 66.3%24:00 · Alex 41.7% · guest 58.3%24:00 · Alex 41.7% · guest 58.3%27:00 · Alex 22.5% · guest 77.5%27:00 · Alex 22.5% · guest 77.5%30:00 · Alex 40.9% · guest 59.1%30:00 · Alex 40.9% · guest 59.1%33:00 · Alex 14.4% · guest 85.6%33:00 · Alex 14.4% · guest 85.6%36:00 · Alex 45.5% · guest 54.5%36:00 · Alex 45.5% · guest 54.5%39:00 · Alex 31.1% · guest 68.9%39:00 · Alex 31.1% · guest 68.9%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 8:10 Reid rejects the frontier model race premise

Reid forcefully dismisses the idea that tech giants need breakthrough frontier models, calling the superintelligence race a mix of corporate ego and Wall Street marketing rather than a product necessity.

Hardest push from Alex ▶ 13:48 Alex directly challenges Reid on OpenAI model superiority

Alex openly refuses Reid's premise that OpenAI can afford to fall behind on foundation models, arguing that their investor narrative and brand magic depend entirely on frontier dominance.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 26:40 Reid explains the technological divergence between Tesla and Waymo

Reid provides technical depth on why Tesla was criticized for eschewing lidar and how building purely on vision pushed them toward end-to-end foundation model reasoning.

Alex holds their own ▶ 13:48 Alex leverages internal OpenAI reporting to prove frontier dependency

Alex demonstrates industry expertise by citing Sam Altman's internal remarks post-Gemini launch to prove that model leadership directly drives OpenAI's economic viability.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicAlex as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementAlex pushing backWhy
Welcome and Setting the 2026 Prediction Stage 5111 Alex and Reid establish a collaborative tone reviewing 2025 tech themes, focusing on massive compute scaling and data centers. Alex provides a structured multi-year recap of generative AI's evolution since ChatGPT launched, which Reid enthusiastically validates.
Framing 2026: Shift to Products and Potential Chaos 5112 Reid frames 2026 as a plateau in raw model capability excitement in favor of consumer product deployment. Alex slightly counter-balances this framing by predicting 2026 will be defined by financial chaos and infrastructure overbuilding.
Meta: Superintelligence Lab Tensions and Open Source Shifts 6233 Alex questions Meta's superintelligence ROI and model competitiveness post-Llama 3. Reid pushes back against the conventional race framing, arguing Meta only needs good-enough backend models for eyeball farming, prompting Alex to raise the threat of conversational AI companionship siphoning engagement.
OpenAI: Transition from Research Lab to Consumer Giant 7246 Reid argues OpenAI is strictly a consumer product company that does not need leading frontier models. Alex directly challenges this assertion, citing internal company reactions to Gemini and arguing that investor capital relies entirely on maintaining frontier leadership.
Google: Gemini Evaluation, Search Disruption, and Ecosystem Strengths 5422 Alex critiques Gemini's user experience as underwhelming and superficial like an Axios summary. Reid educates on Google's broader strategic positioning, explaining their search cannibalization dilemma alongside deep moats in Waymo, quantum computing, and custom TPU inference infrastructure.
Amazon: Conversational Commerce and Custom Trainium Silicon 6111 Alex pitches headlines regarding Amazon embedding conversational shopping with Anthropic/OpenAI and Tim Cook potentially stepping down from Apple. Reid builds on the Amazon custom Trainium chip dynamics and validates the strategic pressures facing Apple.
Tesla and Autonomous Vehicles: FSD Breakthroughs vs. Waymo 5422 Alex shares his positive experience testing Tesla FSD in Dallas and asks why Waymo retains higher industry credibility. Reid explains the architectural divergence between Waymo's expensive lidar setup and Tesla's camera-based end-to-end foundation model approach.
NVIDIA, Microsoft Copilot, Media M&A, and Anthropic IPO 6122 Alex runs through rapid-fire predictions covering Nvidia valuation volatility, Microsoft Copilot enterprise dissatisfaction, and an Anthropic IPO. Reid generally agrees while adding color on Office product stickiness and M&A regulatory shifts under the new administration.
Wildcard Predictions: SPAC Resurgence, AI Companionship, and Data Privacy 5222 Reid offers contrarian wildcard predictions about SPACs returning for deep tech and state-backed ventures, which Alex playfully teases. Alex predicts a boom in human-AI romantic relationships, leading Reid to highlight imminent legal and privacy backlashes over cloud-stored chatbot confessions.

Statements from this episode (20)

Assertion Partly supported
Albergati: Frontier AI models started multi-datacenter distributed training in late 2025
“These data centers were going to get so big that they're going to be, these large frontier models are going to be trained across multiple locations, which we started to see in like the last quarter.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 3:08
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Albergotti: 2026 consumer AI will focus on products, not new models
“I think actually we're reaching this point in AI where it is still going to be the major topic of conversation, but I think the, I think some of the sort of novelty of it is, is wearing off now, and I think we'll see it kind of plateau, and then I think the pr…”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 3:37
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kantrowitz: 2026 will bring an AI infrastructure shakeout and chaos
“I also think the shakeout is coming in a way. Like, to me, I think, twenty-twenty-six is really going to be a year of chaos. I mean, we're already starting to see some of this happen with Oracle and some of the other infrastructure builders, and the bets have …”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 4:31
Assertion Supported
Albergati: Meta Tried to Acquire DeepMind Before Google Did
“Meta, you know, they were so early on AI, they tried to acquire DeepMind, you know, before Google did and then sort of just lost focus on it.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 6:05
Prediction Partly held up
Albergati: Meta's Future AI Models Will Be Closed or Backend-Only
“I think at this point, the new models are either going to just be part of their products, like almost backend technology, or they'll be, you know, they'll be closed models, just like open AI.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 7:40
Prediction Partly held up
Kantrowitz: Meta's Open Source AI Strategy Is Definitely Done
“I think they're not going to, their open source strategy is definitely done.”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 8:00
Opinion
Albergati: Meta Does Not Need Frontier AI Breakthroughs to Win Products
“I think at this point it's about products. And if people like the meta products that they put out there that are run on these foundation models, to be honest, they could probably be run on, on a lot of different models that are out there. I think it's partly e…”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 8:22
Opinion
Albergati: OpenAI chip push is about inference costs, not superintelligence
“So I think when you talk about like opening AI, building its own chips and data centers and all this stuff, that's all about like them for seeing the future where there's so many people using these things, those it's expensive to run in the data center. They'r…”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 12:45
Opinion
Kantrowitz: OpenAI still needs model supremacy to sustain its narrative
“I do think they need the best models. I think their story and their story's important is predicated on them being out ahead of everybody else.”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 13:51
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Albergati: Traditional web search is going to be gone
“I think traditional search is, like, is going to be just Gone.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 18:29
Assertion Supported
Kantrowitz: Amazon is considering a $10B investment into OpenAI
“Amazon's eyeing this ten billion dollar investment into open AI, which is fascinating because they already have many billions in Anthropoc.”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 23:06
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Kantrowitz: Tim Cook will announce departure on Apple Q1 earnings call
“Tim Cook announces on first quarter conference call that he's leaving the company at the end of the year.”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 24:02
Opinion
Albergotti: Tech reporters let political bias skew coverage of Tesla
“Tech reporters allow their personal feelings and, you know, political feelings, emotions to kind of like skew their analysis of these companies.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 26:07
Prediction Open · timeframe Dec 2026
Albergotti: NVIDIA Will Lose Market Share but Continue Overall Growth
“I think it's for sure going to lose market share, but I think the pie is growing so fast that there's just no way, there's no way they stop growing.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 30:53
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Albergotti: Tech Will See Major Wave of M&A in 2026
“I think, like, one of my predictions for next year is, like, we're going to see a lot of M&A, and I think the Trump administration's really kind of sending a signal, like, we're not going to mess with your acquisitions anymore”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 33:11
Prediction Open · timeframe Dec 2026
Kantrowitz: Anthropic Will File S-1 or Set IPO Timeline in 2026
“My prediction is, while opening a dozen IPO, Anthropic at least sets a timeline. If not, you know, files in S-One next year.”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 33:55
Prediction Held up
Albergotti: SPACs will see a resurgence in 2026 in quantum and minerals
“Well, I think one that's going to be fun is, like, that we're going to see more SPACs next year. I think, yeah, I think we had Rachel Jones, my colleague, had a good story on how, you know, some of these, like, critical minerals companies are doing SPACs, and …”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 34:34
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Albergotti: Private equity will take private public SaaS companies disrupted by AI
“We'll see a lot of these companies that are being kind of disrupted by AI, SaaS companies that are public get taken private by private equity companies.”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 35:30
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kantrowitz: There will be a love boom with AI companions
“I just think everyone's going to fall in love with their AIs. Not everyone, but I think there's going to be a love boom. That is my guess.”
Alex Kantrowitz Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 37:29
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Albergotti: AI chatbot conversations will create a massive legal discovery wave
“Like this is, remember when email was new and then all of a sudden like every lawsuit was like just a treasure trove of emails because people didn't realize that email was like forever. I think the same thing's gonna happen with this AI stuff. Like, it's just …”
Reed Albergotti Dec 24, 2025 ▶ 38:20
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