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Traditional interviews fail for C-suite executives because they excel at interviewing

Jonathan Swanson · The Unicorn Founder Who Delegated Everything. · Dec 10, 2025 · at 28:21

Jonathan Swanson, co-founder of Thumbtack and Athena, shares his executive hiring principles with host Erik Torenberg.

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“One thing that is obvious as you hire execs is the more senior they go, the better they are interviewing. Almost by definition, and so when you get to C-Suite, they all are really good at interviewing, and so you actually have to discard the interview more the more senior they go,”

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