Parker-Holder: DeepMind kept Veo 3 and Genie 3 as separate projects
Jack Parker-Holder · Google DeepMind Lead Researchers on Genie 3 & the Future of World-Building · Aug 16, 2025 · at 24:39
Jack Parker-Holder is a Research Scientist at Google DeepMind. He explains the organizational and architectural decisions behind Google's generative video model (Veo 3) and real-time world model (Genie 3).
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“We obviously made a choice that we want VO three and Gini three to be separate projects this year, right?”
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