Kumar: Developer plugins will be essential to future AI interfaces
Ankit Kumar · Building the Next Generation of Conversational AI · Mar 15, 2025 · at 1:32:53
Ankit Kumar, CTO of Sesame, discusses the timeline and technical prerequisites for developer plugin ecosystems in AI conversational platforms.
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“I think that the models still need to get better basically to utilize plugins essentially in a way that's kind of reliable enough that someone will go out and look for a plugin for, you know, their kind of downstream service of choice because they just want, you know, they have the experience of the AI system kind of able to use other things so efficiently and efficiently it becomes part of their daily life and they want to hook up this other thing to it. I don't think we're there yet. And so I don't think that like the exact format of how that will look like and where it will plug in is, is clear yet. I think it will certainly be a part of the future of these interfaces and these systems.”
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