Dr. Clarence B. Jones, former advisor and speechwriter to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., discusses modern DEI frameworks and race relations with Andreessen Horowitz co-founder Ben Horowitz.
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Jones: The FBI would have bugged MLK's psychiatric sessions for J. Edgar Hoover
“Whether it's in 30 days, or 60 days, or 90 days, but within 30 to 60 days, every conversation that Martin is having with his psychiatrist is being transcribed. And within 60 days, the transcription of his sessions will be on the desk of J. Edgar Hoover. I'm ab…”
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Jones: MLK was brilliant, vulnerable, and sometimes personally irresponsible
“Martin King was, ah, the most brilliant, vulnerable, Sometimes personally irresponsible, brilliant person I'd ever met, you know.”
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Jones: I told MLK early on I was not committed to nonviolence
“I let Dr. King know very armed in our relationship I was not nonviolent. No, no, no, no. No, I let him know I'm not nonviolent. I was not committed to nonviolence.”
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Jones: MLK wrote 'Letter from Birmingham Jail' entirely from memory
“He didn't have any books. He didn't have anything. So I said to him, I said, listen, Martin, you'll get no credit for being able to quote scripture. You've got a PhD in theology. Most of the school is theology. You're supposed to be able to do that. But the du…”
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Jones informed MLK of W.E.B. Du Bois's death at the March
“And what I wrote on the program was that we were told that Dr. W. E. Du Bois had died that night before in Ghana at the age of 90 years of age. And so, I wrote to Martin on the program. Just got word from the Dr. Du Bois died in Ghana. Maybe the people at the …”
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Jones: Civil rights leaders ignored wealth because they expected to die young
“I never, the concept of money and wealth didn't mean anything. And one of the reasons it didn't mean anything, because I never contemplated that I would, I never believed I would live beyond the age of 50. None of us ever believed me. I never believed that Mar…”