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Kupor: Government power is measured by budget and headcount, incentivizing bureaucratic bloat

Scott Kupor · The Person Who Runs HR For 2 Million Federal Workers · Oct 2, 2025 · at 37:32

Scott Kupor, Director of OPM, explains to Catherine Boyle why federal agency incentives currently favor spending and team growth over cost efficiency.

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“Today, like, everybody's power in government is measured by how big their budget is and how many people they have. And so, again, we get the exact behavior we incent, which is everybody wants to, like, grow their budget and grow their people.”

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