Mar 13, 2026 · 26m · a16z

Emil Michael: The Department of War Is Moving Faster Than Silicon Valley on AI | The a16z Show

Emil Michael · 16m spoken David Ulevitch · 7m spoken
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Under Secretary of War Emil Michael joins host David Ulevitch on The a16z Show to discuss rapid AI adoption, defense procurement reform, and the critical role of Silicon Valley in national security. Michael outlines strategies to transition the Department of Defense from peacetime bureaucracy to wartime agility while asserting sovereign control over military technology.

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The host as informed peer 3.3 Guest teaching 4.4 Guest disagreement 0.3 The host pushing back 0.1
05100:0010:0020:000:46–2:52 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Title Sequence: The a16z Show The host warmly welcomes the guest and frames his background as a tech executive and public servant. Emil shares his career background including his White House Fellowship under Secretary Gates.2:52–5:37 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Transitioning from Peacetime Speed to Wartime Urgency The host demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting Skydio's Chinese sanctions and critical component supply chain bottlenecks. Emil explains the historical shift from peacetime defense consolidation to wartime urgency.5:37–9:18 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Streamlining Defense Priorities and Scaling AI Adoption The host plays devil's advocate by asking if the Pentagon should focus purely on missiles rather than AI, and adds examples of AI fuel logistics. Emil reframes the question to explain how AI directly enhances missile physics and operational logistics.9:18–11:43 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Commercial AI Models and Restrictive Pentagon Contracts The host prompts Emil on what triggered recent public debate over Pentagon AI models. Emil reveals astonishing previous contract terms that restricted military planning and created dangerous vendor lock.11:43–13:50 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Sovereign Command, Military Operations, and Corporate Constitutions Emil argues that corporate constitutions cannot override sovereign military command and democratic law, which the host strongly endorses. The conversation remains fully aligned and collaborative.13:50–18:27 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Democratic Oversight, Civil Liberties, and Adversary Competition Emil details adversary competition, noting China uses stolen models without guardrails, and contrasts this with democratic oversight. The host guides the conversation on how frontier lab talent dynamics affect government partnerships.18:27–22:01 · The host as informed peer 5/10 The American Dynamism Movement and Defense Procurement Reform The host displays expertise connecting Project Maven to the founding of the American Dynamism movement. Emil explains replacing slow cost-plus contracts with simple requirements and firm fixed-price deals.22:01–24:38 · The host as informed peer 3/10 How Tech Startups Can Scale and Partner with Government Emil educates founders on crossing the manufacturing scaling chasm and identifying true government buying signals versus polite praise. The host asks how startups can better partner with the Department of War.24:38–26:27 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Why Tech Builders Should Serve Their Country The host asks a reflective closing question about why successful tech leaders should consider public service. Emil shares his background as an immigrant and the importance of restoring public service as an honored profession.0:46–2:52 · Guest teaching 3/10 Title Sequence: The a16z Show The host warmly welcomes the guest and frames his background as a tech executive and public servant. Emil shares his career background including his White House Fellowship under Secretary Gates.2:52–5:37 · Guest teaching 4/10 Transitioning from Peacetime Speed to Wartime Urgency The host demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting Skydio's Chinese sanctions and critical component supply chain bottlenecks. Emil explains the historical shift from peacetime defense consolidation to wartime urgency.5:37–9:18 · Guest teaching 5/10 Streamlining Defense Priorities and Scaling AI Adoption The host plays devil's advocate by asking if the Pentagon should focus purely on missiles rather than AI, and adds examples of AI fuel logistics. Emil reframes the question to explain how AI directly enhances missile physics and operational logistics.9:18–11:43 · Guest teaching 6/10 Commercial AI Models and Restrictive Pentagon Contracts The host prompts Emil on what triggered recent public debate over Pentagon AI models. Emil reveals astonishing previous contract terms that restricted military planning and created dangerous vendor lock.11:43–13:50 · Guest teaching 5/10 Sovereign Command, Military Operations, and Corporate Constitutions Emil argues that corporate constitutions cannot override sovereign military command and democratic law, which the host strongly endorses. The conversation remains fully aligned and collaborative.13:50–18:27 · Guest teaching 5/10 Democratic Oversight, Civil Liberties, and Adversary Competition Emil details adversary competition, noting China uses stolen models without guardrails, and contrasts this with democratic oversight. The host guides the conversation on how frontier lab talent dynamics affect government partnerships.18:27–22:01 · Guest teaching 4/10 The American Dynamism Movement and Defense Procurement Reform The host displays expertise connecting Project Maven to the founding of the American Dynamism movement. Emil explains replacing slow cost-plus contracts with simple requirements and firm fixed-price deals.22:01–24:38 · Guest teaching 5/10 How Tech Startups Can Scale and Partner with Government Emil educates founders on crossing the manufacturing scaling chasm and identifying true government buying signals versus polite praise. The host asks how startups can better partner with the Department of War.24:38–26:27 · Guest teaching 3/10 Why Tech Builders Should Serve Their Country The host asks a reflective closing question about why successful tech leaders should consider public service. Emil shares his background as an immigrant and the importance of restoring public service as an honored profession.0:46–2:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Title Sequence: The a16z Show The host warmly welcomes the guest and frames his background as a tech executive and public servant. Emil shares his career background including his White House Fellowship under Secretary Gates.2:52–5:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Transitioning from Peacetime Speed to Wartime Urgency The host demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting Skydio's Chinese sanctions and critical component supply chain bottlenecks. Emil explains the historical shift from peacetime defense consolidation to wartime urgency.5:37–9:18 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Streamlining Defense Priorities and Scaling AI Adoption The host plays devil's advocate by asking if the Pentagon should focus purely on missiles rather than AI, and adds examples of AI fuel logistics. Emil reframes the question to explain how AI directly enhances missile physics and operational logistics.9:18–11:43 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Commercial AI Models and Restrictive Pentagon Contracts The host prompts Emil on what triggered recent public debate over Pentagon AI models. Emil reveals astonishing previous contract terms that restricted military planning and created dangerous vendor lock.11:43–13:50 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sovereign Command, Military Operations, and Corporate Constitutions Emil argues that corporate constitutions cannot override sovereign military command and democratic law, which the host strongly endorses. The conversation remains fully aligned and collaborative.13:50–18:27 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Democratic Oversight, Civil Liberties, and Adversary Competition Emil details adversary competition, noting China uses stolen models without guardrails, and contrasts this with democratic oversight. The host guides the conversation on how frontier lab talent dynamics affect government partnerships.18:27–22:01 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The American Dynamism Movement and Defense Procurement Reform The host displays expertise connecting Project Maven to the founding of the American Dynamism movement. Emil explains replacing slow cost-plus contracts with simple requirements and firm fixed-price deals.22:01–24:38 · Guest disagreement 0/10 How Tech Startups Can Scale and Partner with Government Emil educates founders on crossing the manufacturing scaling chasm and identifying true government buying signals versus polite praise. The host asks how startups can better partner with the Department of War.24:38–26:27 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Why Tech Builders Should Serve Their Country The host asks a reflective closing question about why successful tech leaders should consider public service. Emil shares his background as an immigrant and the importance of restoring public service as an honored profession.0:46–2:52 · The host pushing back 0/10 Title Sequence: The a16z Show The host warmly welcomes the guest and frames his background as a tech executive and public servant. Emil shares his career background including his White House Fellowship under Secretary Gates.2:52–5:37 · The host pushing back 0/10 Transitioning from Peacetime Speed to Wartime Urgency The host demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting Skydio's Chinese sanctions and critical component supply chain bottlenecks. Emil explains the historical shift from peacetime defense consolidation to wartime urgency.5:37–9:18 · The host pushing back 1/10 Streamlining Defense Priorities and Scaling AI Adoption The host plays devil's advocate by asking if the Pentagon should focus purely on missiles rather than AI, and adds examples of AI fuel logistics. Emil reframes the question to explain how AI directly enhances missile physics and operational logistics.9:18–11:43 · The host pushing back 0/10 Commercial AI Models and Restrictive Pentagon Contracts The host prompts Emil on what triggered recent public debate over Pentagon AI models. Emil reveals astonishing previous contract terms that restricted military planning and created dangerous vendor lock.11:43–13:50 · The host pushing back 0/10 Sovereign Command, Military Operations, and Corporate Constitutions Emil argues that corporate constitutions cannot override sovereign military command and democratic law, which the host strongly endorses. The conversation remains fully aligned and collaborative.13:50–18:27 · The host pushing back 0/10 Democratic Oversight, Civil Liberties, and Adversary Competition Emil details adversary competition, noting China uses stolen models without guardrails, and contrasts this with democratic oversight. The host guides the conversation on how frontier lab talent dynamics affect government partnerships.18:27–22:01 · The host pushing back 0/10 The American Dynamism Movement and Defense Procurement Reform The host displays expertise connecting Project Maven to the founding of the American Dynamism movement. Emil explains replacing slow cost-plus contracts with simple requirements and firm fixed-price deals.22:01–24:38 · The host pushing back 0/10 How Tech Startups Can Scale and Partner with Government Emil educates founders on crossing the manufacturing scaling chasm and identifying true government buying signals versus polite praise. The host asks how startups can better partner with the Department of War.24:38–26:27 · The host pushing back 0/10 Why Tech Builders Should Serve Their Country The host asks a reflective closing question about why successful tech leaders should consider public service. Emil shares his background as an immigrant and the importance of restoring public service as an honored profession.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:41 Reframing missile production with AI

Emil reframes the host's skeptical question about focusing strictly on conventional weapons, pointing out that AI directly solves missile physics and material science problems.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 7:35 Host plays devil's advocate on AI vs traditional munitions

The host briefly challenges the necessity of AI in national defense by asking why the military cannot simply focus on traditional missile manufacturing.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:58 Revealing legacy contract restrictions

Emil educates the host by revealing specific, previously undisclosed contractual clauses that prevented military commanders from using commercial AI models in strike planning or satellite movements.

The host holds their own ▶ 4:43 Host details Skydio supply chain vulnerability

The host demonstrates strong defense industry expertise by detailing how Chinese sanctions against portfolio company Skydio cut off access to vital motor and battery precursor components.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Title Sequence: The a16z Show 2300 The host warmly welcomes the guest and frames his background as a tech executive and public servant. Emil shares his career background including his White House Fellowship under Secretary Gates.
Transitioning from Peacetime Speed to Wartime Urgency 5400 The host demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting Skydio's Chinese sanctions and critical component supply chain bottlenecks. Emil explains the historical shift from peacetime defense consolidation to wartime urgency.
Streamlining Defense Priorities and Scaling AI Adoption 4511 The host plays devil's advocate by asking if the Pentagon should focus purely on missiles rather than AI, and adds examples of AI fuel logistics. Emil reframes the question to explain how AI directly enhances missile physics and operational logistics.
Commercial AI Models and Restrictive Pentagon Contracts 3610 The host prompts Emil on what triggered recent public debate over Pentagon AI models. Emil reveals astonishing previous contract terms that restricted military planning and created dangerous vendor lock.
Sovereign Command, Military Operations, and Corporate Constitutions 3500 Emil argues that corporate constitutions cannot override sovereign military command and democratic law, which the host strongly endorses. The conversation remains fully aligned and collaborative.
Democratic Oversight, Civil Liberties, and Adversary Competition 3510 Emil details adversary competition, noting China uses stolen models without guardrails, and contrasts this with democratic oversight. The host guides the conversation on how frontier lab talent dynamics affect government partnerships.
The American Dynamism Movement and Defense Procurement Reform 5400 The host displays expertise connecting Project Maven to the founding of the American Dynamism movement. Emil explains replacing slow cost-plus contracts with simple requirements and firm fixed-price deals.
How Tech Startups Can Scale and Partner with Government 3500 Emil educates founders on crossing the manufacturing scaling chasm and identifying true government buying signals versus polite praise. The host asks how startups can better partner with the Department of War.
Why Tech Builders Should Serve Their Country 2300 The host asks a reflective closing question about why successful tech leaders should consider public service. Emil shares his background as an immigrant and the importance of restoring public service as an honored profession.

Statements from this episode (20)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: Defense Department is way behind in AI
“We're trending toward artificial general intelligence, a substrate, a layer, something that'll touch everything, but we're way behind in AI at the department.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 0:05
Opinion
Michael: DOD moving at unprecedented pace under Trump and Hegseth
“Then President Trump got elected, and I was like, wow, this is a moment where, you know, you have a disruptor at the top, he chose Secretary Hegsass, and that meant all the problems I'd seen, you know, there'd be a clearer way to solve them, and you could see …”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 2:24
Assertion Partly supported
Michael: China's post-2010 military expansion is the largest in history
“So then we're faced with the biggest military buildup in history in China, starting In the mid two, 2000, like, 2010, and we didn't catch up.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 3:49
Assertion Partly supported
Ulevitch: Chinese sanctions blocked drone maker Skydio from critical supply chain components
“We work with a company called Skydio, and they were sanctioned by China, and, ah, you know, we usually hear stories about how companies are, you know, sanctioned by the United States from doing business here, but it actually, if you're a company that's an impo…”
David Ulevitch Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 4:44
Assertion Supported
Michael: DOD reduced tech priorities to six, making AI top priority
“We got them down to six and there were the places where I thought we had the greatest opportunity for change and for growth and impact on our combat power and for our industrial base. And that was a starting point. An applied AI was number one”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 6:16
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: DOD AI adoption grew from 80k to 1.2M in 90 days
“In 90 days, I think we've had 1.2 million of the three million people at the department. Use some form of AI when that was, that number was 80,000 before I started.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 7:08
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: DOD has massive repositories of siloed, unused data
“We have a huge repositories of data at the department that's sitting there siloed unused.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 8:13
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: AI Trained on Satellite Imagery Boosts Analyst Throughput 1,000x
“Imagine decades of satellite imagery that you could use to train a model and get insights and then use that to do anomaly detections. You could find out what's happening. So you take a human analyst and you increase their throughput by a thousand.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 8:20
Assertion Partly supported
Michael: Inherited Pentagon AI contracts created dangerous vendor lock-in
“Well, they came up now because as I started to look at the contracts that had been written during the last administration for the use of AI. I had a whole, holy cow moment because there were things not well beyond what you've been hearing in the press in the l…”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 9:58
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: AI vendor questioned software use in Maduro raid
“And then second, after the Maduro raid, one of the primary vendor for this had raised the question, senior exec about whether their software was used during the Maduro raid, which is one of the most successful op military, military operations of our lifetime. …”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 11:22
Disclosure
Michael: DOD diversifying AI vendor base following software terms dispute
“So that set off a series of events of, whoa, are we single-threaded on a vendor who's concerned about how we're using their software after the most successful military raid and the terms of service do not comport with the future world? We've got to get other p…”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 12:27
Opinion
Michael: Commercial AI constitutions cannot dictate US military command and control
“It can't, the software, the soul, someone's soul of their model, their constitution, which is not the U S constitution. Can't be dictating our command and control environment and telling generals and war fighters what to do and not do.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 13:35
Assertion Supported
Michael: DOD has long held 40-page directive on autonomous weapons
“We've got 40 page internal directives that have been there for years about autonomous weaponry.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 16:27
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: Four frontier AI companies rely on pool of 1,000 researchers
“You have four companies that you could call frontier companies, and then you have this sort of major league baseball roster of researchers, like a thousand who they're trading amongst themselves, who, if you ask the leaders of these companies are so incredibly…”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 17:24
Assertion Supported
Michael: Google transitioned from avoiding defense work to top government partner
“Google didn't want to bid on the contract. Now Google is a great partner, you know, and so I'd hope some of the newer companies would learn from what Google did, which is, you know, they didn't want to serve the government because that employee mob issues, but…”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 18:04
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ulevitch: Project Maven controversy sparked the American Dynamism movement
“The Google Project Maven moment in 2018 in many ways as a galvanizing moment to actually wake up a lot of founders and builders and say, hey, wait a minute. I actually do want the government to have the best technology and best capabilities. I do want to build…”
David Ulevitch Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 18:28
Assertion Partly supported
Ulevitch: Project Maven Was Used During Afghanistan Evacuation
“Project Maven was used to make sure that we didn't leave anyone behind in Afghanistan.”
David Ulevitch Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 18:57
Opinion
Michael: Defense primes hold advantage in manufacturing, not innovation
“This is just the one thing the primes have an advantage on is not the inventiveness. It's the production and manufacturing ability to scale what they do with what they've initially built.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 22:30
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Michael: Defense startups will cross manufacturing chasm within two years
“And I think that's the next stage and you're going to see companies start to cross that chasm here in the next one to two years.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 23:15
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michael: Shifting DOD procurement culture toward faster decisions
“The culture there again is to never say no. And I've tried to move it to faster yeses, faster nos.”
Emil Michael Mar 13, 2026 ▶ 24:10
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