Jan 2, 2019 · 19m · a16z

a16z Podcast | The Future of Entertainment and What David Petraeus and the Olsen Twins Can Teach Us

Brian Grazer · 11m spoken Marc Andreessen · 4m spoken Michael Copeland · 47s spoken
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In this episode of the a16z Podcast, venture capitalist Marc Andreessen interviews legendary Hollywood producer Brian Grazer about the changing economics of entertainment, the rise of premium television, and takeaways from Grazer's lifelong practice of holding curiosity conversations with world leaders and cultural icons.

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The host as informed peer 3.8 Guest teaching 2.5 Guest disagreement 1.0 The host pushing back 2.2
05100:0010:000:50–3:25 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Merging Narrative Storytelling with Technology Scalability Andreessen guides the conversation on merging narrative storytelling with tech scalability, synthesizing Grazer's thoughts on global release windows. Grazer playfully teases Andreessen about Uber investments, maintaining an agreeable tone.3:25–5:50 · The host as informed peer 6/10 Technology Disruption, Piracy, and Mid-Budget Movies Andreessen actively challenges Grazer's claim that technology ruined film profitability by citing massive hits like Furious Seven and Empire. Grazer defends his point by explaining that while tech supports mega-hits, it destroyed mid-budget singles and doubles.5:50–10:07 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Combining Entertainment and Education in the Curiosity Complex Andreessen outlines a detailed thesis regarding the golden age of television versus the decline of adult-focused cinema. Grazer immediately agrees with the assessment, leaving little room for pushback or conflict.10:07–13:30 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Lightning Round: Jeff Bezos and Edward Teller Andreessen initiates a rapid-fire lightning round covering Bezos, Teller, Blaine, Campbell, Jobs, and the Olsen Twins. The dynamic is lighthearted and anecdotal without notable pushback.13:30–18:06 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Lightning Round: General David Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams Grazer recounts conversations with Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams. Andreessen sharpens the discussion by correcting Grazer when he conflates Rushdie's fatwa with his marriage to Padma Lakshmi.18:06–19:23 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Lightning Round: Ben Silberman and Using Pinterest for Creative Design Andreessen asks how Grazer utilizes Pinterest, and Grazer details using it to curate visual ideas for his curiosity complex. The segment ends on a friendly, collaborative note.0:50–3:25 · Guest teaching 2/10 Merging Narrative Storytelling with Technology Scalability Andreessen guides the conversation on merging narrative storytelling with tech scalability, synthesizing Grazer's thoughts on global release windows. Grazer playfully teases Andreessen about Uber investments, maintaining an agreeable tone.3:25–5:50 · Guest teaching 4/10 Technology Disruption, Piracy, and Mid-Budget Movies Andreessen actively challenges Grazer's claim that technology ruined film profitability by citing massive hits like Furious Seven and Empire. Grazer defends his point by explaining that while tech supports mega-hits, it destroyed mid-budget singles and doubles.5:50–10:07 · Guest teaching 2/10 Combining Entertainment and Education in the Curiosity Complex Andreessen outlines a detailed thesis regarding the golden age of television versus the decline of adult-focused cinema. Grazer immediately agrees with the assessment, leaving little room for pushback or conflict.10:07–13:30 · Guest teaching 2/10 Lightning Round: Jeff Bezos and Edward Teller Andreessen initiates a rapid-fire lightning round covering Bezos, Teller, Blaine, Campbell, Jobs, and the Olsen Twins. The dynamic is lighthearted and anecdotal without notable pushback.13:30–18:06 · Guest teaching 3/10 Lightning Round: General David Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams Grazer recounts conversations with Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams. Andreessen sharpens the discussion by correcting Grazer when he conflates Rushdie's fatwa with his marriage to Padma Lakshmi.18:06–19:23 · Guest teaching 2/10 Lightning Round: Ben Silberman and Using Pinterest for Creative Design Andreessen asks how Grazer utilizes Pinterest, and Grazer details using it to curate visual ideas for his curiosity complex. The segment ends on a friendly, collaborative note.0:50–3:25 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Merging Narrative Storytelling with Technology Scalability Andreessen guides the conversation on merging narrative storytelling with tech scalability, synthesizing Grazer's thoughts on global release windows. Grazer playfully teases Andreessen about Uber investments, maintaining an agreeable tone.3:25–5:50 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Technology Disruption, Piracy, and Mid-Budget Movies Andreessen actively challenges Grazer's claim that technology ruined film profitability by citing massive hits like Furious Seven and Empire. Grazer defends his point by explaining that while tech supports mega-hits, it destroyed mid-budget singles and doubles.5:50–10:07 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Combining Entertainment and Education in the Curiosity Complex Andreessen outlines a detailed thesis regarding the golden age of television versus the decline of adult-focused cinema. Grazer immediately agrees with the assessment, leaving little room for pushback or conflict.10:07–13:30 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Lightning Round: Jeff Bezos and Edward Teller Andreessen initiates a rapid-fire lightning round covering Bezos, Teller, Blaine, Campbell, Jobs, and the Olsen Twins. The dynamic is lighthearted and anecdotal without notable pushback.13:30–18:06 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Lightning Round: General David Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams Grazer recounts conversations with Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams. Andreessen sharpens the discussion by correcting Grazer when he conflates Rushdie's fatwa with his marriage to Padma Lakshmi.18:06–19:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Lightning Round: Ben Silberman and Using Pinterest for Creative Design Andreessen asks how Grazer utilizes Pinterest, and Grazer details using it to curate visual ideas for his curiosity complex. The segment ends on a friendly, collaborative note.0:50–3:25 · The host pushing back 1/10 Merging Narrative Storytelling with Technology Scalability Andreessen guides the conversation on merging narrative storytelling with tech scalability, synthesizing Grazer's thoughts on global release windows. Grazer playfully teases Andreessen about Uber investments, maintaining an agreeable tone.3:25–5:50 · The host pushing back 6/10 Technology Disruption, Piracy, and Mid-Budget Movies Andreessen actively challenges Grazer's claim that technology ruined film profitability by citing massive hits like Furious Seven and Empire. Grazer defends his point by explaining that while tech supports mega-hits, it destroyed mid-budget singles and doubles.5:50–10:07 · The host pushing back 2/10 Combining Entertainment and Education in the Curiosity Complex Andreessen outlines a detailed thesis regarding the golden age of television versus the decline of adult-focused cinema. Grazer immediately agrees with the assessment, leaving little room for pushback or conflict.10:07–13:30 · The host pushing back 1/10 Lightning Round: Jeff Bezos and Edward Teller Andreessen initiates a rapid-fire lightning round covering Bezos, Teller, Blaine, Campbell, Jobs, and the Olsen Twins. The dynamic is lighthearted and anecdotal without notable pushback.13:30–18:06 · The host pushing back 3/10 Lightning Round: General David Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams Grazer recounts conversations with Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams. Andreessen sharpens the discussion by correcting Grazer when he conflates Rushdie's fatwa with his marriage to Padma Lakshmi.18:06–19:23 · The host pushing back 0/10 Lightning Round: Ben Silberman and Using Pinterest for Creative Design Andreessen asks how Grazer utilizes Pinterest, and Grazer details using it to curate visual ideas for his curiosity complex. The segment ends on a friendly, collaborative note.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 4:45 Defending mid-budget film economics

Grazer resists Andreessen's optimistic counter-argument by insisting tech has eliminated the lucrative mid-budget movie market.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 4:27 Pushing back on tech damage narrative

Andreessen challenges Grazer's claim about piracy and tech disruption by citing record-breaking box office figures and ratings for Furious Seven and Empire.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 4:45 Reframing tech impact on content tiers

Grazer educates Andreessen on the bifurcation of entertainment economics, showing how tech favors mega-hits while crushing mid-budget doubles and singles.

The host holds their own ▶ 16:30 Correcting Rushdie fatwa timeline

Andreessen demonstrates quick factual recall by interjecting to clarify that Salman Rushdie's death threat fatwa was entirely distinct from his marriage to Padma Lakshmi.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Merging Narrative Storytelling with Technology Scalability 3211 Andreessen guides the conversation on merging narrative storytelling with tech scalability, synthesizing Grazer's thoughts on global release windows. Grazer playfully teases Andreessen about Uber investments, maintaining an agreeable tone.
Technology Disruption, Piracy, and Mid-Budget Movies 6426 Andreessen actively challenges Grazer's claim that technology ruined film profitability by citing massive hits like Furious Seven and Empire. Grazer defends his point by explaining that while tech supports mega-hits, it destroyed mid-budget singles and doubles.
Combining Entertainment and Education in the Curiosity Complex 5212 Andreessen outlines a detailed thesis regarding the golden age of television versus the decline of adult-focused cinema. Grazer immediately agrees with the assessment, leaving little room for pushback or conflict.
Lightning Round: Jeff Bezos and Edward Teller 2211 Andreessen initiates a rapid-fire lightning round covering Bezos, Teller, Blaine, Campbell, Jobs, and the Olsen Twins. The dynamic is lighthearted and anecdotal without notable pushback.
Lightning Round: General David Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams 5313 Grazer recounts conversations with Petraeus, Rick Rubin, Salman Rushdie, and Serena Williams. Andreessen sharpens the discussion by correcting Grazer when he conflates Rushdie's fatwa with his marriage to Padma Lakshmi.
Lightning Round: Ben Silberman and Using Pinterest for Creative Design 2200 Andreessen asks how Grazer utilizes Pinterest, and Grazer details using it to curate visual ideas for his curiosity complex. The segment ends on a friendly, collaborative note.

Statements from this episode (9)

Opinion
Andreessen: Entertainment industry makes Silicon Valley look sober
“If there's one business on planet Earth that makes Silicon Valley look normal and sober and level-headed for sure, it's your business.”
Marc Andreessen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 0:58
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Grazer: Tech eliminated 25% first-dollar gross deals for movie talent
“It's made it a lot less lucrative for artists in the last five years. I mean, it's made it so, I mean, I'm thrilled that, I mean, I'm grateful that I had 20 years of, like, the, that was the real golden era, you know, for, so I, where you know, I could get 25%…”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 3:57
Insight
Grazer: Modern technology benefits mega-hits but destroys mid-budget movies
“Technology today works best on the mega hit thing, and I think, you know, Empire is a mega hit, and what you just, and Fast and Furious, and the Marvel movies for Disney, it's amazing. Those mega hits, it, it's working. But, It doesn't work for the doubles. Th…”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 4:54
Opinion
Grazer: Combining entertainment and education is media's biggest open opportunity
“I think that's where the big void is. That's the, that would be, for me, the future.”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 5:55
Disclosure
Grazer: Poor economics drove my shift from theatrical films to television
“I mean, I can get them made just through, just sheer physics, just the force of me, like, but it's not attractive, so it's mostly what you just said, and for the most part, that's why I've kind of, I've shifted my focus or balance into television.”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 9:21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Grazer: Jeff Bezos was captivated by my meeting with Edward Teller
“Very smart, very focused, interested in physics, totally captivated by the fact that I met with Edward Teller, wanted to know everything about that Star Wars program.”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 10:37
Opinion
Grazer: Steve Jobs had a low tolerance for unaligned people
“And I could feel that there could be a level of intolerance pretty quickly, because you had to be within, in his world. On the ball and in his world.”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 12:19
Opinion
Grazer: Serena Williams lacked traditional childhood socialization due to lifelong tennis focus
“She's just been doing tennis her whole life, as you guessed, and so she's never really had real childhood or socialization, and she's very shy and sweet and soft voice”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 17:50
Opinion
Grazer: Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey is cool and slightly elitist
“Jack Dorsey, who's a friend of mine, and a very selective guy, slightly, you know, cool, slightly elitist, doesn't like everybody.”
Brian Grazer Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 18:20
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