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Malik: Paid acquisition is a drug that underperforms on user retention
“Paid acquisition is a total drug. It makes everyone feel good because top of funnel numbers move up, and once you see those, you know, weekly activation rates, well, no one wants to see that go down. But it's going to underperform on retention, and maybe most …”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 32:31 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: AI companies must focus on concrete utility rather than AI buzzwords
“You need to abstract away this whole AI piece and just go straight to the value prop of get answers immediately backed by sources.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 35:51 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Invest in growth teams after reaching 30% month 3-4 retention
“As soon as you see that you have early signs in retention, like we're seeing like, you know, if you see 30% retention in month three or four, you have the kindling in your fire where it is now worth it to go put gasoline on it, go make that investment.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 6:54 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Big tech runs A/B tests primarily to justify performance reviews
“And then the ugly is I'm running an AB test. So that I can put something in my performance review about a number I moved, or I can like say something to my manager. And you see that as companies get bigger, right? We're running A-B tests just to like be able t…”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 11:36 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Non-social consumer apps should aim for 45% month-six retention
“I think it was like by month six, you want 45% is really, really, really good. That's the target, right? That's where I want to push to, especially when you're not a social product that has more of like that smile retention curve.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 22:09 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Growth strategy requires being first to a channel or significantly better
“There's no middle ground. If you're not first, it literally just means your only other option is to just be a lot better than everyone else. And that's like where we need to hold ourselves to.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 41:59 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Former founders make better growth hires due to high risk tolerance
“We have a lot of founders here, and I think the best part about hiring founders is that They are much more comfortable at taking very big swings and being willing to fail. Like it is by nature. If you're going down the founder path, you have to be a little bit…”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 46:31 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Removing experiment guardrails drives company-wide bold thinking
“I mean, you don't want to put guardrails over their ability to experiment and try different things. Guardrails is going to hurt everyone. It's going to make everyone think a little bit smaller. You remove those guardrails. Everyone's thinking big.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 47:52 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Needing a detailed onboarding document signals a bad hire
“My rule of thumb is if they truly need an onboarding doc, we're in trouble.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 51:19 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Employees quit bad teams, not bad managers
“People say that, you know, they quit the manager, not the company. Like, I think people quit the team.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 52:47 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Third-party endorsement and product bundling beat direct marketing
“We can go out and scream from the mountaintops about perplexity, but it is a lot better when someone else is telling you to use it, or it is being bundled into an existing product of yours.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 18:04 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Users need three to seven product exposures before trying it
“You need someone to hear about your product three to seven times before they're going to give it an honest trial.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 37:15 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: MBAs make sense primarily for entering structured corporate paths
“I think MBAs make a lot of sense for people who are trying to break into a specific industry. Like if you are trying to break into private equity or you want to be a PM at Amazon or go into McKinsey, then MBAs have like your preset path and you just follow you…”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 2:14 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Growth is user retention and power-user development, not acquisition
“Growth is not just about, let me fill the top of the funnel with new users. It's about getting those users to become retained, to develop into power users so that you can eventually monetize them.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 4:56 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Growth teams must take high-risk swings at least quarterly
“My rule of thumb is once a quarter, we have to be taking at least a couple massive swings, right? A big new feature, a big marketing campaign. It has to be high risk. It has to be high reward.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 9:52 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: A 25% success rate on major growth swings is exceptional
“I'd say 25% would be pretty great on these big swings. Maybe like one, once a year, we have just a banger campaign or banger new feature that is now really driving growth or really opened up a new audience for us.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 10:20 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Teams running A/B tests without intuition are flying blind
“You should go into an AB test with a pretty strong confidence of what's going to happen. And this is where like intuition comes in of like, We're running this, and here's what I think is going to happen. I think we're really going to move this metric, but we m…”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 12:23 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Growth teams must check if short-term metrics still drive retention
“One is monitoring. Does this still correlate down the road once we're done with gaming it, once we're done with tinkering with it? And if we're seeing it, that correlations start to break, well, okay, I'm not being honest with myself around if we're actually h…”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 15:23 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Organic channels always outperform paid acquisition in retention
“Organic and referrals is always going to have higher retention than paid acquisition and partnerships.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 23:44 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Knowledge-gap search intent drives sticky user retention over curiosity
“You see a lot of trial users that like are coming in from like curiosity traffic, like the weekenders that are putting in, you know, how many times does someone fart in a day? That's a little bit lower retention. If I'm here to solve a knowledge gap, like I'm …”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 24:24 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Raman Malik: Only optimize CAC-to-LTV after retention hits diminishing returns
“Do they have, are they at the scaling period where it is now turn on these channels and drive growth because we feel Really good about where we are in terms of retention or any incremental work we're going to do on trying to move activation or move early reten…”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 31:39 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Community marketing via power users is an underappreciated growth lever
“I think community and how you can unlock your power users to share the value of your product to their own miniature communities is incredibly powerful.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 42:15 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Cross-device app conversion is a key retention driver
“Cross device conversion is really, really strong for retention because now you're using it on weekends. You're using it during the day.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 26:13 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Malik: Moving from founder to growth lead requires deliberate functional de-scoping
“Founders enjoy the variety of, I got to go work on a hundred things and I got to steer the ship, but now you're hyper-focused on, okay, I'm here to drive growth. I am de-scoping myself just to go do an excellent job at this, and that's an adjustment as well.”
Raman Malik Nov 15, 2024 ▶ 4:04 Raman Malik: Inside Perplexity’s Growth Machine: What Worked, What Did Not Work | E1226 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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