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Opinion
Podjarny: Near-term AGI claims correlate with founders' continuous need to raise capital
“I think that's absolutely true. And there's incentives. Incentives are not always nefarious. Sometimes it's just your view of the world is biased by the things that you want to believe.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 6:41 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Podjarny: Everyone who tested Cognition's Devin says it doesn't really work
“From everybody that I talked to that has tried Devon, they all think it's really cool and that it doesn't really work.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 16:42 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Perplexity won't succeed as expected due to Google's dominant search moat
“I still think perplexity is not going to go as far as people think. Mostly not because of OpenAI, but because of Google.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 24:50 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Nov 2034
Guy Podjarny: Manual coding will become an edge case within 10 years
“And so I think the coding piece of software developers' work will diminish substantially. I think in 10 years' time, coding would be, ah, ah, very much alive and well, but it would be the edge case. It would be the thing that you do because, you know, like, it…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 29:16 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Venture capital firms lack tech and operate like law firms
“Venture companies would never invest in venture companies. There's nothing scalable, there's no tech, there's no there's no real kind of you know, scalable assets in venture today. I think it's like a lot of most of it is Is like law firm style, you know you k…”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 1:14:53 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: SaaS companies differentiated only by code are doomed
“SaaS businesses are far more than just the software that they create. In fact, if you have a SaaS business and your only differentiation is I've written all this code and nobody else can do, then your days are numbered.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 0:04 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Podjarny: Architectural issues could stall GPT-5 scale models for 1-2 years
“Expectation of when would the GPT-V scale models arrive? I now think that those are further away. You've sort of seen Sam Altman and others change their tune to talk about reasoning and things like that as the progress, and my sense is there are actually some …”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 0:12 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Many AI enterprise deployments will go sideways due to slow organizational adaptation
“Well, I think a lot of AI budgets at the moment are very kind of non-resilient, right? They're coming in, people are spending money, they're trying things out, and they expect a lot from them, and I think in the long run that would be correct. But it's hard to…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 3:46 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Massive capital waste occurring in AI due to thousands of duplicate startups
“I think the biggest one also is all of these tiny startups where there's like a thousand, I think in some cases there might be even 10,000 companies doing the exact same thing. So it almost doesn't matter how good they are and how good the use case is. A lot o…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 4:15 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Specialized AI models will prove out over next three years
“Yeah, I think I am more willing to bet that the specialized models will kind of prove out in the sort of, call it three year timeline than I did before. Just because I think the big models, the big generic models are apparently, and this is again a bit of rumo…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 8:21 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: AI coding tools lower code quality by turning developers into reviewers
“I do think that it develops software of questionable quality in many places, because You're just kind of reviewing the codes that got generated as opposed to actually writing it, and so just naturally the amount of thought you put into it is, is, is far lesser…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 10:02 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Replicating SaaS businesses via AI agents is silly
“To think that you can just replicate a SaaS business because you can tell an agent what it would do, I think is I think is silly.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 13:59 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Podjarny: AI platform concentration risks marginalizing developer tooling market
“I worry that we go into a place in which there are a small number of players that have that broad capacity and that the rest of the dev tooling ecosystem becomes kind of minor and delegated versus today's world where we have many thriving developer tooling com…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 20:21 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Platforms like GitHub and Vercel will dominate AI software development
“I think there is a pretty high chance that we're going towards this path. Ease of use of software development is already, you know, amazing, and you're seeing platforms like, ah, Vercel, for instance, you know, make it very easy to generate applications and go…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 20:48 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Autonomous AI agents are years away due to reliability systems
“I think the rest are probably a couple years away, and as I said, I don't think the LLMs are the limiting factor. I think it's more the processes and the systems around them to make the LLMs more reliable.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 22:18 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Foundational AI models will eventually replace traditional web search
“I think as long as we are dealing with the same data and just a different way to interpret it, I think they will go all the way. And so search is a good example of that, right? There's no reason why they wouldn't go all the way to actually replacing web search…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 22:47 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: AI model providers won't build complex, workflow-heavy software
“I think when it becomes Different data or very dedicated, elaborate workflows. Like, it's not about the magical make a call, get back a response, but a whole system around how do you process those. I think that's outside of their domain and wouldn't make sense…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 23:19 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Anthropic offers better investment value than OpenAI or xAI
“I think I go Anthropic. I feel generally the, it still holds to the quality of the team or maybe you know, the stability of the team and their opportunity to grow. And yeah, the value arbitrage is is still hard.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 23:59 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Technical product manager and software developer roles will merge
“Some PMs are quite technical, and they're close to the software. I think those roles will definitely merge.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 32:45 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: AI tools increase security risks via unreviewed code deployment
“The real challenge with LLMs right now is that we lose all control. We make a request, and we get something back, and we hope that it is correct, and we're reliant on a very, kind of, unreliable review of what was produced to say that it's correct, and that's …”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 35:11 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Guy Podjarny took out nine figures in secondary liquidity from Snyk
“I sold about a third of my ownership, and it's in nine figures.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 37:04 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Snyk would rather fail than pivot to traditional security buyers
“I would rather crash and burn than pivot to just sort of focusing on the security audience in that, like, I don't want to build just another slightly better must trap. I want to build something that matters.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 0:00 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Point products must be 2x better than generic platform tools
“If you're a point best of breed product that is doubly as good, you know, it's twice as good As the generic product, you probably will still succeed, like companies or customers will still want to use you as long as you articulate that value well. If you're, y…”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 40:33 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Deep AI expertise alone is no longer a defensible moat
“I think specifically right now in AI, I mean, the space is moving fast enough, and there are enough people that it's not really a cornered resource. I mean, it can be you know, a necessary and a valuable capability, but I think it's hard for that to be alone.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 46:30 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Snyk's brand power is not a sustainable competitive advantage
“So Snyk has a certain amount of brand power. You know, there's a certain amount of like fairy dust, sort of DevOps fairy dust that all the security companies want. You know, there's a certain amount of that, that the people believe, but it's not a sustainable …”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 52:08 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Top-down CTO design partners undermine product-led growth products
“If you want to build a product-led growth company, and all of the feedback you get is from a dozen design partners that you work with in a top-down fashion with sort of the CTO, then, you know, you will optimize for something, but it's unlikely that you would …”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 58:27 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Podjarny avoids investing in cybersecurity, preferring product-led companies
“You know, ironically, for instance, I don't invest that much in cyber. And you know, there are exceptions to that statement, but for the most part, I'm more passionate about sort of product led and those types of systems and cyber tends to be sort of more top …”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 1:03:07 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny rejects startup deals with zero or too many leaps of faith
“I, so I try to count the leaps of faith that I have to make in making an investment. If it is too many, I don't invest. But if there are none, I also don't invest.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 1:05:08 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Retaining underperforming leaders during hypergrowth sets them up to fail
“I think that when someone isn't working out in the company consistently, then letting them go is not only in the company's favor, but also in their favor that you're really doing them no favor, keeping them in a failed position. That's doubly correct when the …”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 1:10:30 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Legal and insurance issues will delay AI adoption more than tech
“I think people underestimate the non-technology parts of adopting AI. I think AI is a transformative or a disruptive technology, not a sustaining one, and it requires people to change, it requires kind of accountability to change, insurance, and things like th…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 4:56 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Near-term AGI predictions are convenient because AGI lacks clear definition
“It's a very convenient thing to say because AGI is very poorly defined, and so you can basically say that and pretty much claim it is correct.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 6:10 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Easiest AI tools fit workflows without needing complete user trust
“When you think about AI solutions as a whole, if I think kind of broader mental framework, the solutions that are easiest to adopt right now are the ones that really don't require any change in how you work today, and they just provide you with some magic, and…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 10:44 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: AI developer tools remain overall unreliable due to unpredictable failures
“Beyond that, they haven't been dramatic yet, mostly because they are still unreliable. They're you know, we our founding AI engineer calls it the jagged edge of AI. You know, it is amazing at some point, and then it bombs, like, a complete disaster the second.…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 12:14 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Google is terrible at product development except for search
“Google is generally pretty terrible at product on many fronts, but the one product in which they actually do a pretty good job is the search product, and they have all the traffic.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 25:21 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Google doesn't need to innovate to beat Perplexity, just copy it
“I don't think they have the product jobs, but I think they have the advantage of such, like, incredible distribution and access to the users that they don't actually need to invent what perplexity is doing. They can copy it.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 26:22 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Guy Podjarny: Mid-tier tech companies will acquire easier under Trump
“The very top layer, the top companies that Trump affiliates as liberal and anti-Trump will not have kind of a better life because of his administration, and the companies that are just the layer below, they will be able to acquire a lot more easily.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 27:01 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Guy Podjarny: Top software developers excel through systems thinking, not coding
“Well, I think the best software developers are not the best because they're the best coders. It's because they think about development as a whole. They are systems thinkers.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 28:47 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: AI will alter job scopes, not overall tech company structures
“I don't think a lot of the structure will change dramatically. I think the roles of the different positions, the sort of the scope of what they can do are the things that will change.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 34:45 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Unmaintained AI code will rot and create cyber attack entry points
“The other thing that's happening is people produce software, like a lot of these coding systems, they create code, but they don't maintain code, and so that code will stick around. You know, technology never dies. It'll, you know, be another entry point for At…”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 35:36 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Israel excels in technology but lags in product development
“From a tech perspective, Israel is really good at tech. It's not as good in product.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 3:32 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: Israel produces disproportionately little open-source software leadership
“It's amazing how little open source leadership comes out of Israel, despite the sort of the huge kind of wealth of technology creation that happens there.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 3:59 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: GPT and LLMs are in a temporary honeymoon period
“There's a certain kind of a honeymoon period happening with GPT and LLMs, which I think will find the right limits to it.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 14:28 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Domain experts can estimate market timing within two years
“Typically if you're immersed in a space, if you come from a space and if you sort of, you know, have sufficient sort of ability in it, you can kind of roughly get market timing within a plus minus two years.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 14:37 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Founders shouldn't base strategic decisions on Gartner market size estimates
“What Gartner at the time said about, you know, application security market size, you know, those are transitory there. I mean, those would change over time. And I think they're not important. You know, you shouldn't make decisions based on those.”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 16:21 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Podjarny: The current downturn for PLG companies is temporary
“I mean, I do think this is a bit of a tough moment for PLG companies. I still think that this it's a temporary reality,”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 36:41 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Podjarny: Snyk's main moats are counter-positioning and product-led process power
“I'd sort of say that's Nick's two primary powers are, you know, one was counter positioning, which sort of still holds in the security space, this notion of, Coming in developer first is, is to an extent at the expense of some CISO power, of some sort of top-d…”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 53:02 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Podjarny: Reconsider startup expansions that rely solely on operational excellence
“If you're going to expand into X, right, add another product or expand an audience, which of your powers, like the best question to ask is, which of your powers help you in that expansion? If the answer is none, Then you really should pause and reconsider beca…”
Guy Podjarny May 24, 2023 ▶ 56:31 Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Guy Podjarny: Nvidia is building a cloud to leverage chip lead
“They know that the clouds, for instance, have distribution advantages, and so they're building a cloud. They're using their semiconductor advantage.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 1:42 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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