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Curative Canceled $600K Salesforce Contract For An Internally Vibe-Coded CRM
“We just recently canceled our Salesforce contract because we have an internal CRM that was vibe coded, that is working better, that is managing our process better, is more integrated into what we're doing. We run our agents inside of it, and no one was using S…”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 45:54 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative Invested $500M Of COVID Testing Profits Into Health Insurance
“So after all was said and done, the money that we basically put forward into the insurance business, the health insurance company, was about five hundred million that we invested into the health insurance business.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 33:24 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative Administered 2.5M COVID Vaccines At A Loss
“We did two and a half million vaccinations. That was another service we did. We also lost a ton of money on that. That was a terrible business.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 34:14 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative's Anthropic API Spend Grew 6x Monthly Into Millions
“Our anthropic cost over the last six or seven months has six X'd every month from, you know, a base of, you know, a couple of tens of thousands of dollars now up to millions of dollars a month.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 51:17 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative's AI Agent Signs Hundreds Of Contracts Daily Without Human Review
“We had a contract, a standard template contract that was drafted by a law firm, and then we have kind of like guard rails for what Gwen can agree to, but she just red lines it and then signs it. It doesn't go to a law firm for a review. Like, we're signing hun…”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 59:44 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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AI Agent Gwen Cuts Curative's Contract Costs From $2,000 To $70
“So it costs, with people, it costs us about 1500 to 2000 dollars on average to do a contract. The average with Gwen has been about 70 dollars.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 55:51 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative Scaled To Peak 206,000 COVID Tests Daily Within Eight Months
“Our peak day was 206,000 people tested in a single day. And that was December of 2020. So that was within eight months from zero, zero to 206,000.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 0:09 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative Grew Headcount From Seven To 7,000 In Nine Months
“And the company went from about seven to 7000 employees in, in those first nine months.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 29:58 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative Generated $5 Billion In Revenue Over Three Years
“I think the total revenue ended up being about five billion over a three-year period.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 30:47 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative's AI Agent Gwen Sends 15,000 Custom Emails Daily
“So Gwen is sending on average 15,000 emails a day. Customized emails to providers that know about their practice, that know about their work, and one of the things we found is like that relentlessness of the follow-up is what works.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 1:00:38 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative Used AI Agents To Migrate Dashboard Stack From Looker To Snowflake
“We moved away from Looker, right? Google's Looker product for visualizations. It's super expensive, and we moved to do it in Snowflake. And it's been a lot cheaper. It's worked really well. Part of that migration is moving all of our dashboards and all of the …”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 1:04:10 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Subcritical Nuclear Deployments Cost $1B Per 300MW Facility
“Each one of our deployments would be about a billion dollars of construction cost for a 300 megawatt facility.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 1:22:04 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Curative's AI agent Gwen signs contracts with the CEO's signature, 100 a day up from 100 a week
“So she now signs the agreements with my signature. She'll open up the DocuSign link and then click the button, and it's my signature on that agreement. And so this has taken us from doing about a hundred contracts a week to about a hundred contracts a day.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 53:53 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Fred Turner Co-Founded Nuclear Fission Startup Subcritical With His Wife
“Yes. So there is a company that I co-founded with my wife, Subcritical, in the nuclear fission space based on an idea that I had a few years ago that we need more power and that nuclear is a really good way to do this.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 1:13:30 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Justin Mateen Invested $125K At A $3M Valuation As Curative's First Check
“Put in, I think, a 125,000 dollars at a three million dollar valuation.”
Fred Turner Jul 18, 2026 ▶ 17:56 We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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