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Opinion
Vishria: AI foundational models are fastest depreciating asset in history
“Foundational models are the fastest depreciating asset in human history.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 31:06 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Vishria: Career investors are better at investing than former founders
“They're better investors. Also not necessarily better board members, not necessarily better advisors, not necessarily a better bunch of things, but definitely better.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 6:21 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Vishria: Rapid zero-to-$4M ARR scaling in AI holds almost no value
“I was talking to a team that had gone like this last week, I was talking to a team that had gone like zero to four million, a four person team, zero to four million in four months. Amazing. Like just amazing kind of revenue trajectory. But I put like almost no…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 25:35 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Vishria: Nvidia will not remain the only major AI infrastructure player
“I don't believe NVIDIA is going to be the only game to have content infrastructure layer.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 0:04 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Vishria: AI platform shift could outgrow all previous tech shifts combined
“We have a major, major shift in AI, which could be bigger than any of these other shifts on maybe combined.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 0:06 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Vishria: Replacing Developer Labor With AI Creates 20x More Economic Value
“So if the AI, if you can get AI good enough to eat much more of the 200,000 dollars of value attributed to your software engineer, IT person, it just follows that there's like 20 x more value creation and, like, there will be giant, giant outcomes.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 23:49 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Vishria: No AI Company Has Yet Demonstrated Software Engineer Replacement
“We're a little ways away from like, from replacing the software engineer right now. We're like a bit away from that. And like, we haven't actually captured that much market value yet. And really no one's demonstrated anything close to that level. Quite yet.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 24:48 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Vishria: AI monetization won't rely on $20 subscriptions or API calls
“And, like, it's not gonna be a 20 dollar a month subscription, that's not, like, the right way and it's not gonna be just, like, bundled API call, like, it's, there's gonna be much, much more sophistication and interesting models in that.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 30:05 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Vishria: Benchmark never considers portfolio construction or fund timing
“You know, I think one of the things that we maybe think about almost not at all Is almost never think about like fun cycle or fun timing or anything else. And we almost never think about or talk about portfolio construction or anything else.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 35:32 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Vishria: VC memo culture focuses on irrelevant details over key questions
“I think this is why the memo writing culture at a lot of firms gets you in trouble because you put a lot of information You basically are, it encourages putting a lot of information that is like third and fourth order stuff Into document as if that is impactin…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 42:47 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Vishria: Early unit economics never extrapolate to $200M revenue scale
“I've worked on five companies that have gone from zero to more than 200 and revenue, and like, in not a single case did the economics at the very early stage, like, extrapolate all the way. Like, it's just not a thing. Not, not even the economics from when the…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 50:07 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Vishria: Seed checks from Series A firms carry major signaling risk
“For the entrepreneur, you do have to really think about the signaling risk of that being a seed investor, of a firm that also leads A's being a seed investor. What if they decide not to compete for the A? Then is that a bad signal to everyone else? I think gen…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 14:35 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Assertion Contradicted
Only Peter Fenton and Jim Goetz achieved multi-billion consumer and enterprise wins
“That's a funny statement, because I think in the modern era, if you go back, call it the last 10 or 15 years of venture capitalists, there are only two that I can think of who have had multi-billion dollar consumer outcomes and multi-billion dollar enterprise …”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 15:06 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
What-if
Vishria: I should have broken comp rules to hire key talent
“There were a couple times or two people and specifically that I think about where like what they wanted in comp and what I was like willing to give were separate. Like they were just off and they were so far out of market in terms of what their ask was. And I …”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 4:19 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Vishria: Career VCs often make worse board members due to lacking operational empathy
“For, well, going back to, they haven't actually done these things at depth. They haven't done them themselves. They often lack like empathy and understanding. I think they often think that things are more deterministic than I think they actually are. And so li…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 7:49 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Vishria: Incumbents must burn down existing businesses to execute AI platform shifts
“And in order to make the platform shift for a company, like what you're articulating, You have to kind of be willing to burn down the existing business and at least in short order. And there's a whole bunch of entrepreneurs who don't do that.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 13:33 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Vishria: Startups can succeed purely through aggressive execution without core insights
“There's a couple of cases where just like violent execution by a determined team in a hyper competitive market where like nobody has an insight has worked.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 15:08 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Benchmark AI startups achieve years of SaaS scale in under a year
“The quickness of the scale is, is, is unlike, it's like three, four, five years of what SAS company, like your traditional SAS companies were doing. We're seeing in under a year and we have a whole portfolio of companies that are like this.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 27:10 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Vishria: Benchmark holds no investments in foundational AI model companies
“In terms of value accrual, like, you know, I think for Benchmark, like, we have a, we have no foundational model investments thus far anyway.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 31:49 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Vishria: Benchmark has written $50M checks despite boutique fund size
“Through, through 30 years of performance, I think we have Unprecedented flexibility in what we do, and so if we want to write a fifty million dollar check, we can write a fifty million dollar check, and we have in cases.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 34:38 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Benchmark made only three new investments during 2021 SaaS boom
“I think in 20, 21, we made like three new investments as a firm. Three.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 38:50 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Eric Vishria details Benchmark's unique 1-to-10 investment voting system
“Our voting system is you vote one to 10. You can't vote five. Six and above is yes. Four and below is no.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 53:38 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Vishria: Founder preference has swung too far toward operator VCs
“With entrepreneurs really favoring, seemingly favoring operators, even as an operator, I can say, I think the pendulum has swung too far in that direction.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 3:49 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Insight
Vishria: Context switching across investment stages hurts VC decision-making
“I think the context switching in terms of like, if you think about how you evaluate seeds or how you evaluate growth or evaluate some of these other things? Or how do you evaluate making a kind of quote unquote active investment where you take a board seat ver…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 12:34 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Insight
Vishria: Capital constraints and operational discipline benefit the startup ecosystem
“I think constraints are generally good and yield really special things. You know, it's the story of the vines, the grapevines that kind of fight the hardest to produce the best grapes. And I think we, I like to see us go back to an environment that rewards ope…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 20:03 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Vishria: Contentful closed six-figure US deals remotely before hiring in the US
“It's a Berlin-based company at the time, but there wasn't a single employee in the US, and yet they had built this incredible enterprise customer base of US companies, and that's just something that doesn't happen very often at all. You don't see companies clo…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 21:48 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Disclosure
Vishria: Benchmark is investing at its highest pace since 2011
“There's a lot of uncertainty, but we've been more active than we've been since 2010 and 2011.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 0:18 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Vishria: Benchmark has no sector specialists and maintains four to six partners
“I am not a sector specialist and nobody at Benchmark is. And I think the fundamental idea with Benchmark is there's a small group of people, a small group of partners who are all equal. And right now it's five of us, but sometimes it's four, sometimes it's six…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 9:59 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Vishria: Passes on viable startups if he cannot pitch recruits
“When you look at that, I ask myself that question. And if I answer is like, you know what, I think it's a cool business. It'll probably work, but I just don't understand how I can make that pitch. Then I don't do it. Like, that's my, like, I just, I don't do i…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 21:01 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Vishria: Tech incumbents are too paranoid and alert to be easily disrupted in AI
“Today's incumbents are and you know, this is a trope and not really an insight. Everyone's saying the same thing, but today's incumbents are paranoid and on top of things and like, you know, like is, is Microsoft and Nuance gonna move slower and whatever than …”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 21:54 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Vishria: Only sponsoring Benchmark partners see deal vote tallies
“Nobody knows what the votes are except the sponsoring partner.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 54:41 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Vishria: Peter Fenton is people-first, while Bill Gurley is market-first
“Peter is very much like people first. Bill is very much, I would say like market first. And like, and that's, it's just a different, it's a different mental model and looking at these things.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 58:14 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Vishria: Top VC partnerships require a mix of operators and career investors
“I think the top performing partnerships tend to have a mix of operators turned VCs and career investors, and I don't think that's an accident.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 6:33 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Assertion Supported
Vishria: Benchmark always takes a board seat in its investments
“We take the board seat, we aim and aspire to be the entrepreneur's first call. That's a standard we hold ourselves to.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 11:32 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Prediction Not checkable as stated
An infrastructure revolution will power the next wave of consumer platforms
“These things are very cyclical, and again, this is overly simplistic, but I think we're in the midst of a infrastructure revolution. Maybe it's around ML, maybe it's around cloud, maybe it's some combination of these things that are coming together, and there …”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 17:47 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Assertion Supported
Vishria: Benchmark relies on a partner advocacy and voting system for investments
“Our investment process is one of advocacy of voting. So basically, there is an advocate. So one of the five of us falls in love with something, is probably the best way to describe it gets really excited about the entrepreneur and the opportunity All five of u…”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 20:35 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
Disclosure
Benchmark has met several AI medical scribe startups but passed on all
“I've met several of these companies over the years and we haven't invested in any.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 18:18 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Vishria: Sponsoring partner at Benchmark decides whether to call deal votes
“We have a system where, like, we talk, and then, like, you can call, like, the sponsoring partner basically can call for a vote or not.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 45:43 Eric Vishria: Where is the Value in AI - Chips, Models or Apps? | E1206 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Vishria: LoudCloud was a cloud company 8 to 10 years too early
“I started my career at LoudCloud, which was a cloud company, maybe 10 years or eight years too early.”
Eric Vishria Sep 25, 2017 ▶ 2:50 20VC: Benchmark's Eric Vishria on Why Career VCs Have Advantages Most Under Appreciate, Why We Are In An Infrastructure Renaissance & What Makes The Best VC Partnership
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