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Assertion Supported
Siroker: Top VC funds will break ownership minimums for hot startups
“Yeah, the best investors benchmark and recent, they will invest less than their supposed minimums for the right company.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 29:43 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Limitless rejected 22 $1B offers to accept a $350M Series A
“We had offers, actually, we had 22 offers at a billion dollars. We turned them down and took 350.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 37:51 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Investors' job is just capital and doing no harm
“The one thing that really kills me is when I see a founder playing the victim here and say, well, my investors didn't help me enough. Like, That's not their job. Their job is to give you money and hopefully do no harm.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 51:06 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Successful startups show glimmers of hope very fast
“Things that work tend to work really fast. You know, it was kind of this anti-pattern. Most people would say, well, you got to stick it out and be perseverance and, you know, keep, you know, banging your head against an idea and you have to keep executing it. …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 4:33 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: First-Time Founders Brag About Headcount; Serial Founders Brag About Lean Teams
“First time founders brag about how many employees they have, second time founders brag about how few employees they have.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 7:29 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Sales reps should expand organic product pull, not do cold outbound
“I would say when you feel market pull, when you feel the market, like I gave the example of Starbucks, you know, they're going past all of the processes, they're going past all, like they're seeking forgiveness, not permission to use your product. You're seein…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 18:47 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Job candidates bringing up titles in interviews is a red flag
“One thing I'll say about titles that I unequivocally believe is that if this is a something that a candidate brings up early or even during the interview process at all, it is a pretty red flag. It shows you kind of what their values are. The best people I've …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 22:11 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Limitless raised existing salaries after hiring an engineer $30k higher
“We hired somebody, a great software engineer. We thought, wow, actually the market is showing that this person should be 30 K more than the other folks on the team. And so not only did we hire her at that price, but we also raised everyone else's salaries to m…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 24:01 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Limitless let employees sell 25% of vested equity in Series A
“In our series A, we're way oversubscribed. We actually have, we raised our series A over a year ago and we haven't even started spending it. So we had far more investors who wanted to invest than we had you know, capital to sell them. And so I gave our employe…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 25:16 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Siroker: Limitless ships faster with 20 people than Optimizely did with 120
“With 20 people today, I feel like we're having a greater impact and ship faster than we ever could with a 120 people and software engineers at Optimizely.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 28:11 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Cap ownership sold rather than giving raise targets to VCs
“So instead of answering the question how much you're raising, The best answer is, you know, we don't need to raise, so we don't have a budget we're driving. We want to sell no more than this percentage of the company, and we're letting the market decide the va…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 40:47 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Founders should target VCs on the rising arc of their career
“I think the best investor you can have for your company is somebody who's on the rising arc of their career. You want a Peter Fenton when he's 35, not 45. You want, not, not going to be ageist, but you want somebody before they've had their first IPO, and you …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 48:50 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Partly supported
Siroker: Limitless raised from hundreds of investors, hindering competitors
“One of the benefits side, unintended side benefits of the round we raised I do think kind of made everyone else's job. Who's a founder trying to compete with us much, much harder because first of all, we had hundreds of investors.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 52:17 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Founders should always choose a down round over a structured up round
“If you're a founder listening to this and you're contemplating an up round with a liquidation preference more than one or a down round, do 100% of the time do the down round.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 54:54 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Pitch decks opening with market map slides are immediate red flags
“You know, like that's what you're looking for is this founder market fit around the problem, not somebody who's like a McKinsey consultant who said like, if their first slide is here's the market map and here's the market size and, you know, here's the niche w…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:03:11 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Asking for the highest valuation is almost certainly a mistake
“Always saying the highest price is almost certainly going to be a mistake.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 37:42 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Siroker: Only Three or Four Key Decisions Determined Optimizely's Success
“I have 10 years I put into my last company and I can recognize that really Only three or four things that we did made the difference in the success or failure of the company.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 9:24 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Optimizely moved to enterprise too fast and abandoned solving churn
“Many, many examples of this, you know, from moving to the enterprise too quickly, to sort of not recognizing the core of what we had, to sort of abandoning The core problem of solving churn”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 16:01 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Using founding engineer titles reduces early employee turnover risk
“To be a founding engineer is so much more meaningful to somebody, both in terms of their, you know, if, for example, if 80% of your friends are founders of companies and you are just a software engineer, but you started in your first employee, like that just p…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 20:54 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Startups should compensate employees at the 75th percentile in cash
“You can still pay, you know, 75th percentile in, in terms of cash, and it shouldn't be a huge lifestyle change just because they're joining a startup. I think that's a, you know, 10 years ago, that was this idea that you're exchanging, you know, risk for rewar…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 23:19 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Why Limitless refuses to hire candidates straight out of college
“Like we don't hire people straight out of college. We hire people with experience.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 26:39 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Founders should concede on valuation in term sheet negotiations
“I think it's fair to give on valuation.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 32:46 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Why Limitless operates without a board of directors
“I've been lucky not to have a board for Limitless.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 33:55 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Early-stage board members struggle to gain enough founder context
“I do think boards as a company gets bigger and bigger and closer to going public are really important for governance and accountability. But when the company is so early on, it's very, very hard for a board member to get up to speed. You know, they're showing …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 34:38 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Fast term sheets are designed to force lower valuations
“The investor who's giving you that term sheet wants to preempt it. They want to get in early. They want to get a better price, and so they know that if they do it before you're getting information from everyone else, that's going to help them.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 43:18 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Founders must maximize company control to protect common stockholders
“You as the founder of the company are actually As a fiduciary responsible to represent the interests of the common stock and that's your employees, you know, and so if you want to do best for your employees, you want to rationally control as much as you possib…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 56:25 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Siroker: Google Wave, Buzz, and Glass were technology in search of problems
“Google's notorious for building products that are technology in search of problems. Google Wave, Google Buzz, Google Glass, like, all of these products were basically some smart engineer or technologist starting the sentence with, Wouldn't it be cool if, dot, …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:00:42 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Siroker: He would abandon Limitless hardware if software alone solved the problem
“We're building a hardware, we're building a wearable, If I can solve the same problems I want to solve without them, all for it. I'd be happy to do that. Hardware is hard. It's expensive. It's painful. I would happily give up hardware if I could solve the prob…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:01:24 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Back founders excited about smaller problems rather than social trends
“In some ways, actually, you kind of want to choose founders who are excited about smaller problems, because it tells you that they're not just falling in love with what they saw on Twitter or social media, that there's actually something they care about.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:02:33 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Why cutting hobbies and social life yields peak personal happiness
“I've cut out basically most of my, I don't spend much time with friends. I have basically no hobbies. You know, I, I'm reminded of this Rick Rubin quote. He's like, I have no technical skills. It's like that, but for my life, like all I do is spend time with m…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:09:55 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Dan Siroker: Doomerism and regulatory capture risk stalling AI innovation
“Doomers plus regulatory capture, I could see creating a world in which a lot of AI innovation is, is stalled.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:13:47 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Founders should either be fully in fundraising mode or not at all
“I very much believe you should either be in fundraising mode or not.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 45:04 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: VCs ask round size to implicitly negotiate valuation at 20% dilution
“When an investor asks, how much are you raising? More often than not, they're actually asking, how much do you think you're worth? Let's start the negotiation on valuation right now, because a 20% is what they want.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 0:06 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Siroker: Second-time founders can recruit far higher-caliber talent
“The caliber of person that I can hire today is far, far better than the person I could have hired, you know, when I started optimizing. So I do think that's a huge factor as well. You can hire much better if you, and certainly if your first company did okay, d…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 13:19 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Giving early VP titles triggers company-wide title inflation
“Titles they're a bit weird because they're both kind of free to give in one sense, that it doesn't cost you more money, but they're expensive in that it creates this sort of, like, mutually assured destruction. You know, as soon as you give out that first VP t…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 19:51 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: How he negotiated 8% Series A dilution with Benchmark in 2013
“My very first Series A, I got, you know, I got benchmarked to agree to, you know, I think it was maybe eight percent or something.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 31:15 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Siroker: NEA Buys Portfolio Stock at IPO Rather Than Selling
“They're often buyers at the IPO. They're not sellers.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 37:28 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Saying 'yes' to raising money creates a dangerous signaling clock
“Are you raising money? And my answer almost always is, is never yes or no. They want just a yes or no. Usually it's some version of, well, no, but if over the next week we get a term sheet you can't say no to, we're probably going to take it. So that's somethi…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 41:18 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Limitless ran all first investor meetings within one week
“Last year, when we did this fundraise, I we did this kind of in public. We put the deck out, and then for any of the people we felt were good finalists, we gave them a calendar link for the first meetings, and those meetings are all one week, so no more than o…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 42:21 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Hone pitches via 30 back-to-back associate investor meetings
“When you have like, 30 back-to-back associate investor meetings where you're practicing your pitch and tweaking the deck every single meeting, by the end of that, you have this really, really honed product, like a stand-up meeting.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 45:48 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Tough questions from junior VCs signal intent to pitch partners
“Oftentimes, especially I found this too, when you very quickly can tell the person you're meeting with, they just, they have an inclination. They want to invest almost from the beginning and all of their questions you'll find out. I actually, I think are often…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 47:49 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Marquee VC brands mainly benefit talent recruiting
“I think it helps with recruiting. I think that's probably the biggest benefit. You know, great, great talent can work anywhere, and if they had the choice between a company that's got, you know, great marquee investors who, you know, who've done their homework…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 51:44 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Founders should never accept over 1x non-participating preferred liquidation preference
“Never take more than One X non-participating preferred liquidation preference.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 54:01 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: AI investors should prioritize problem-obsessed over tech-obsessed founders
“I think the most important thing to do if you're an investor today is find founders who are obsessed with problems, not solutions.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:00:22 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Ideal AI support startup CEO began career in customer support
“The best CEO for a AI customer agent is somebody who started their career answering customer support calls.”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:03:04 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Siroker: Shipping features creates ongoing maintenance commitments, never single tasks
“I've never seen a situation where we'll ship a little feature and we're done. It's always like, oh shoot, now there's this edge case we didn't think about it. And then, oh, this other person wants to do this other thing. So you, it's like opening a commitment …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:05:32 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Siroker: Optimizely tried to acquire Amplitude when it had four employees
“I tried to buy Amplitude when there are four people. In fact, they were about to raise their, I remember we're sitting at, I think at Chipotle and Soma with Spencer. And I, to this day, I'm so impressed with, I just, I was offering him insane amounts of money,…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:06:09 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Siroker: Optimizely could have built product analytics and beaten Amplitude
“That is the one where in that moment I should have just said, okay, we're going to crush them and do product analytics. I think too much of my ego is associated with that. I should have been more Zuck like and just said, okay, they didn't accept our offer. Let…”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 1:06:24 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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