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Insight
Chinese enterprise software cannot rely solely on pure SaaS monetization
“Somewhat tied to lower willingness to pay is the reality that you have to price things differently, and you have to grow to a hundred million dollar revenue business without just relying on pure recurring SaaS, right? And so it could be a combination of transa…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 8:27 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Opinion
Chinese tech ecosystem is out-innovating the US in some areas
“Now the whole Chinese startup and tech ecosystem is incredibly vibrant and incredibly strong, and in some ways, even out innovating the U S right.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 12:25 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Assertion Contradicted
Bike and physical asset sharing were completely invented in China
“And so the whole concept of bike sharing, right. The concept of sharing anything like iPhone chargers, and now there are shared printers and various other things you can fix assets that you can share. Basically that was completely invented in China.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 16:47 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Chinese AI innovation will surge rapidly due to state and corporate support
“And then I think very soon we're going to see that, you know, the AI and machine learning and deep learning talent in China is very, very strong because the government and, you know, the large technology giants are so committed to it that very soon we're going…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 17:14 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Opinion
Baidu, Alibaba, and Tencent exert more market dominance than US giants
“The top three exert An almost disproportionate influence on the market relative to even Amazon or Google in the US.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 17:56 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Assertion Supported
Alibaba's free DingTalk wiped out the Chinese enterprise chat startup market
“Alibaba released DingTalk, which is a free workplace collaboration and chat product. And it's been free and it's basically completely sucked away that market and run away with it. And now really nobody wants to build a chat enterprise chat product anymore beca…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 18:42 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Insight
Early VCs profit when enterprise startups raise $100M from tech giants
“If you're early enough investor, you can still make a lot of money because if a company gets the point where they raise a hundred or two hundred million dollars from one of these giants, they're very valuable. And so you're going to have a return regardless.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 21:10 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Enterprise cloud and SaaS adoption in China lags decades behind US
“In the U S the transition to the cloud and to SaaS applications is pretty mature, right. And started in the early 2000. So there's a retirement now, the perpetual license, right. And even upon premises that I think is still much, much earlier in China.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 8:07 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Uncustomized enterprise software deal sizes in China are smaller than US
“If you sell pure software and it's relatively lightweight and it has minimal customization, that the deal sizes will be, you know, much smaller than in the U S.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 9:26 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Insight
Chinese enterprise software sales depend heavily on field sales and customization
“In China, you have to be very reliant on field sales. There's still the expectation that you would go see them in person, that you have to build trust that way. They still expect that you're going to do some level of customization for them, because they're jus…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 10:42 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Chinese tech sales models will eventually converge with US inside sales
“I think over time, they're going to converge. You know, I think China is going to go through the same evolution that the US did, right, 10 years ago in moving from field sales and person sales to inside sales to lightweight demand gen. I think it's as people b…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 11:42 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Insight
US software companies must adapt to local Chinese practices to succeed
“If you want to deal with them today in this kind of environment, you really have to try to do it their way or compromise, because there's no need for them to ever buy from an American company, right? They could build in-house, they have local solutions that ar…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 12:38 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Insight
US tech companies in China require independent local leadership to succeed
“To succeed, you really have to be flexible with your business model, your pricing scheme, how you distribute, how you deal with customers. You really have to be flexible, and you can only do that by hiring local talent and giving them a lot of runway to be ind…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 14:23 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Assertion Supported
Evernote and LinkedIn succeeded in China by granting local leaders autonomy
“For a long time now, people have pointed to Evernote and LinkedIn as being decent deployment that happened in China. And both of those cases, they hired very local sort of general managers or heads of China. It gave them the freedom to build their own teams, l…”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 14:48 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Prediction Not checkable as stated
ChingCloud and uCloud might remain independent from Chinese tech giants
“There are some cloud services companies like Ching Cloud and uCloud, which are big enough at the moment and have enough customers where they might be able to stay independent.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 19:43 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Disclosure
Every infrastructure startup pitches something Amazon, Microsoft, or Google could build
“Every pitch that I hear about infrastructure is ostensibly something that Amazon could do one day, right? Or Microsoft or Google”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 20:56 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
Assertion Supported
Average public company lifespan dropped from 60 years to 15
“Richard Foster, professor at Yale, found some research that said that the average lifespan of a public company used to be, you know, over 60 years in the 19 fifties, and now it's about 15 years.”
Crystal Huang Jan 10, 2018 ▶ 5:44 20VC: 3 Key Differences Between US and Asian Tech Markets & With Such Large Incumbents Chasing Early Acquisitions, Is There A Market For Later Stage VC with Crystal Huang, Investor @ GGV Capital
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