“Basically all the same people from Lehman showed up. Highly transactional, all about the money. There was no real art or creativity to it. It was very private equity, like finding the company, dressing it up a little bit, handing it off to the next guy. And I was about as unhappy as I was in 2021, as I was working at Lehman Brothers in 2007. The big firms have gotten huge. They have gigantic AOMs, as you know, and so we now internally at Asylum, we call them the big banks. Not all that different than Lehman and Goldman and the others back in the day.”
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