Joelle Pineau, Chief AI Officer at Cohere and former VP of AI Research at Meta, explains how AI capabilities advance across hardware, data, and algorithmic dimensions.
“Compute and data have a more linear effect on progress. You build more compute. You run bigger models. You can typically get better performance. You feed in more data. It's not just quantity. You need to worry about quality and diversity as well, but roughly it's more linearish with respect to the data. The algorithms are the ones that have the nonlinear effect, and so you can explore lots of ideas, and then something like the transformer comes along and just changes the paradigm.”
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