May 20, 2021 · 40m · 20vc
20VC: Farfetch Founder, José Neves on Zen Buddhism and Its Impact on Leadership Mentality, Why Head vs Heart is Not the Right Way To Think About Decision-Making & How To Work Through Self-Doubt and Identity as a CEO
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Farfetch founder and CEO José Neves about his 27-year career in fashion and technology. Neves shares how early business failures shaped Farfetch's asset-light model, and explains how Zen Buddhism, emotional detachment, and neuroscience inform his approach to executive leadership and decision-making.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 26.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 1.8 Guest teaching 3.6 Guest disagreement 0.8 Harry pushing back 1.1
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 20:31 Jose dismisses the host's head vs heart framing
Jose directly rejects Harry's binary question structure, stating that asking whether to decide with head or heart is the incorrect question and reveals a misunderstanding of how the mind works.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 17:50 Harry challenges Jose on financial privilegeHarry directly challenges Jose's philosophy of Zen detachment by asking bluntly whether being financially secure is what actually enables him to be detached.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 20:31 Jose educates Harry on neuroscience and decision makingJose cites neuroscientist Antonio Damasio and stroke research to educate Harry on how rational thinking and emotional bodily states are inseparable in sound decision-making.
Harry holds his own ▶ 17:50 Harry challenges the guest's detachment narrativeHarry cuts through Jose's smooth philosophical narrative about Archegos volatility with a sharp, probing counter-hypothesis regarding financial security.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Origins of Farfetch and Entrepreneurial Journey | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Harry asks open introductory questions about Farfetch's origins and Jose's 27-year partnership with his CTO Cipriano. Jose explains his background in software and fashion in a very agreeable, storytelling tone. | |
| Launching Swear Footwear and Lessons from Business Cycles | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Harry asks about Swear's 1997 launch, and Jose gently corrects the timeline to 1995. Jose details how almost going bankrupt due to platform shoes going out of fashion taught him to design Farfetch with zero inventory risk. | |
| Zen Buddhism, Mindful Awareness, and Leadership Philosophy | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Harry asks how Jose practices Zen Buddhism amidst daily podcast/work noise. Jose explains that meditation is full present-moment awareness that can happen anywhere, including on a Peloton. | |
| Navigating Volatility, Archegos Capital, and Emotional Detachment | 4 | 5 | 3 | 6 | Harry pushes back on Jose's Zen detachment philosophy by asking bluntly if detachment comes from financial security. Jose disagrees with the premise, insisting detachment is an internal factor unaffected by market swings or wealth. | |
| Neuroscience of Decision-Making: Integrating Head, Heart, and Gut | 2 | 7 | 4 | 0 | When Harry asks about head vs heart in decision making, Jose explicitly rejects the question premise as scientifically incorrect. He schools Harry using Antonio Damasio's neuroscience research on stroke patients to show head, heart, and gut must integrate. | |
| Entrepreneurial Risk Appetite and Corporate Culture | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Harry asks how Jose's relationship to risk has evolved with Farfetch's maturity. Jose explains that entrepreneurs have a distinct risk calculator, being risk curious rather than risk averse. | |
| Working Through Self-Doubt and Managing Executive Loneliness | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Harry admits his own struggles with self-doubt, asking Jose for advice. Jose reframes self-doubt as a healthy mental construct and offers practical psychological reframing. | |
| Stubbornness, Ecosystem Collaboration, and the Story of Off-White | 3 | 4 | 0 | 4 | Harry confronts Jose with feedback from peers that he can be stubborn, which Jose freely admits. Jose then uses the story of Virgil Abloh's Off-White to demonstrate how Farfetch creates win-win-win ecosystem alignment. | |
| Quickfire Round with José Neves | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Harry runs through rapid-fire questions covering favorite books, non-sock wearing, parenting values, China, and board members. Jose responds briefly and collaboratively. |
Statements from this episode (12)
Farfetch CTO Cipriano has worked with founder José Neves for 27 years
“Then I started my company with my current CTO, actually, Cipriano, who's been working with me for 27 years.”
Farfetch's zero-inventory model stems from Neves's past fashion failure
“The concept behind Farfetch, the way Farfetch is structured with, for example, no fashion risk, No inventory risk, but also a risk-free channel that we make accessible to creatives like I was to have a global audience without having to go and open stores every…”
José Neves built all his companies as a solo founder
“I never had a co-founder. I was always the only CEO and founder of my businesses.”
Executive detachment under pressure does not rely on financial security
“I think that doesn't depend at all on external events. So it has nothing to do with the financial security.”
Archegos liquidation drove Farfetch trading volume to 10x its average
“I mean, the volumes to give you an idea Were 10 times more or less the average volume. I think it was around 10% of the company was dumped on Friday, and probably another 10% on Monday, something like that.”
Effective decision-making requires involving emotions alongside logical reasoning
“And what he demonstrated is that you cannot make good decisions without involving your emotions.”
Entrepreneurs are 'risk curious' rather than risk-averse
“Most people are risk averse. I think entrepreneurs are risk curious. So they like to play with the probabilities of success and failure, and they get kick out of this game.”
Self-doubt is healthy if viewed as a mental construct
“So self-doubt is very healthy as long as it doesn't cripple you. As long as you can have that detached view, again, that conscious view that, okay, wow, I'm doubting myself here. And as long as you can clearly see it for what it is a mental movie. It is a ment…”
Farfetch will not act as a retailer or designer, only an enabler
“We don't want to be a retailer. We don't want to be a designer. We're not any of those things. We are an enabler for the creative community to engage with the public that loves this part of culture, which is fashion.”
Farfetch generated just $1,000 selling Off-White in its initial 2014 season
“We sold a thousand dollars off-white, the first season, spring summer, 2014.”
Money is a social token granted by society
“Money is a token that you get from society to do Something positive with it, whether it's in business or whether it's in your personal life. It's really a social token that you're given.”
José Neves names David Rosenblatt as the best board member
“I'll pick David Rosenblatt. He's also the part of Twitter and IAC, and he's the CEO of First Tips. Before that, he sold his company to Google, so not just his incredible acumen and experience, but also the fact that he's been an entrepreneur, he's been one of …”