May 17, 2021 · 39m · 20vc

20VC: Insight Managing Director, Deven Parekh on The Current Funding Mania, Compression of Round Timelines, Fund Deployment Speeds Increasing & How To Think Through Price and Time Allocation Across the Portfolio

Deven Parekh · 26m spoken Harry Stebbings · 11m spoken
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Deven Parekh, Managing Director at Insight Partners, discussing lessons from navigating macroeconomic cycles, rapid fund deployment velocities, and venture board governance. Parekh shares insights on balancing valuation risks with long-term compounding growth, fostering transparent founder relationships, and maintaining institutional humility across multi-billion dollar technology funds.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 29.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Harry as informed peer 3.7 Guest teaching 4.1 Guest disagreement 1.4 Harry pushing back 2.0
05100:0010:0020:0030:002:33–5:18 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Deven Parekh's Journey from Science to Insight Partners The host asks a straightforward background question about Deven's career trajectory. The guest responds with a polite personal narrative about transitioning from biochemistry to economics before joining Insight.5:18–10:18 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Historical Market Crashes and Software Model Resilience The host pushes back on inflated software valuations by citing explicit market examples of early-stage ARR multiples. Deven reframes the concern by comparing 2000, 2008, and COVID crashes, demonstrating how growth compounding offsets entry price if growth underwriting is sound.10:18–12:19 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Measuring Venture Success and Timeline Compression Concerns The host cites a peer VC firm's metric of tracking unicorn market share to question how Insight measures success. Deven reframes the discussion to highlight that compressed decision timelines present a far greater threat than high valuations.12:19–14:31 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Temporal Diversification and Shifting Fund Deployment Speeds The host questions whether temporal diversification principles are being abandoned in fast markets. Deven provides institutional context regarding LP expectations, deployment velocity, and fee drag.14:31–16:38 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 The Art of Negotiation: Honesty and Handshake Deals The host quotes Insight co-founder Jeff Lieberman praising Deven's negotiation tactics. Deven outlines his philosophy, rejecting aggressive brinksmanship in favor of transparency and handshake deals.16:38–19:42 · Harry as informed peer 5/10 Ownership Flexibility and Venture Buyout Strategies The host quotes David Tisch regarding founder views on VC ownership and directly confronts Deven on the signaling risk of multi-stage investing. Deven explains Insight's buyout-venture hybrid model and addresses signaling concerns.19:42–22:06 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Evolution of Governance and Effective Board Dynamics The host asks about Deven's evolution as a board member over two decades. Deven shares lessons on remaining even-keeled and respecting boundaries between directors and operators.22:06–24:48 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Optimizing Board Meetings and Delivering Delicate Feedback The host probes tactical board dynamics around delivering uncomfortable leadership feedback to CEOs. Deven explains why delicate feedback must be delivered privately to avoid triggering defensive reactions.24:48–26:54 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Time Allocation Frameworks Across Portfolio Companies The host outlines theoretical portfolio time allocation models. Deven humorously rejects the concept of robotic time allocation, explaining the human elements of investor behavior.26:54–29:33 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Overcoming Investor Insecurities and Retaining Objective Judgment The host asks a personal question about investor self-doubt. Deven candidly identifies as an insecure overachiever and describes Insight's self-critical internal culture.29:33–37:43 · Harry as informed peer 5/10 Empowering Junior Talent and Accelerating Conviction The host references decision-making concepts from Annie Duke and tests Deven's conviction techniques. Deven describes enforcing junior-first speaking rules in diligence meetings and making fast choices under uncertainty.2:33–5:18 · Guest teaching 1/10 Deven Parekh's Journey from Science to Insight Partners The host asks a straightforward background question about Deven's career trajectory. The guest responds with a polite personal narrative about transitioning from biochemistry to economics before joining Insight.5:18–10:18 · Guest teaching 6/10 Historical Market Crashes and Software Model Resilience The host pushes back on inflated software valuations by citing explicit market examples of early-stage ARR multiples. Deven reframes the concern by comparing 2000, 2008, and COVID crashes, demonstrating how growth compounding offsets entry price if growth underwriting is sound.10:18–12:19 · Guest teaching 5/10 Measuring Venture Success and Timeline Compression Concerns The host cites a peer VC firm's metric of tracking unicorn market share to question how Insight measures success. Deven reframes the discussion to highlight that compressed decision timelines present a far greater threat than high valuations.12:19–14:31 · Guest teaching 5/10 Temporal Diversification and Shifting Fund Deployment Speeds The host questions whether temporal diversification principles are being abandoned in fast markets. Deven provides institutional context regarding LP expectations, deployment velocity, and fee drag.14:31–16:38 · Guest teaching 4/10 The Art of Negotiation: Honesty and Handshake Deals The host quotes Insight co-founder Jeff Lieberman praising Deven's negotiation tactics. Deven outlines his philosophy, rejecting aggressive brinksmanship in favor of transparency and handshake deals.16:38–19:42 · Guest teaching 4/10 Ownership Flexibility and Venture Buyout Strategies The host quotes David Tisch regarding founder views on VC ownership and directly confronts Deven on the signaling risk of multi-stage investing. Deven explains Insight's buyout-venture hybrid model and addresses signaling concerns.19:42–22:06 · Guest teaching 4/10 Evolution of Governance and Effective Board Dynamics The host asks about Deven's evolution as a board member over two decades. Deven shares lessons on remaining even-keeled and respecting boundaries between directors and operators.22:06–24:48 · Guest teaching 4/10 Optimizing Board Meetings and Delivering Delicate Feedback The host probes tactical board dynamics around delivering uncomfortable leadership feedback to CEOs. Deven explains why delicate feedback must be delivered privately to avoid triggering defensive reactions.24:48–26:54 · Guest teaching 5/10 Time Allocation Frameworks Across Portfolio Companies The host outlines theoretical portfolio time allocation models. Deven humorously rejects the concept of robotic time allocation, explaining the human elements of investor behavior.26:54–29:33 · Guest teaching 3/10 Overcoming Investor Insecurities and Retaining Objective Judgment The host asks a personal question about investor self-doubt. Deven candidly identifies as an insecure overachiever and describes Insight's self-critical internal culture.29:33–37:43 · Guest teaching 4/10 Empowering Junior Talent and Accelerating Conviction The host references decision-making concepts from Annie Duke and tests Deven's conviction techniques. Deven describes enforcing junior-first speaking rules in diligence meetings and making fast choices under uncertainty.2:33–5:18 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Deven Parekh's Journey from Science to Insight Partners The host asks a straightforward background question about Deven's career trajectory. The guest responds with a polite personal narrative about transitioning from biochemistry to economics before joining Insight.5:18–10:18 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Historical Market Crashes and Software Model Resilience The host pushes back on inflated software valuations by citing explicit market examples of early-stage ARR multiples. Deven reframes the concern by comparing 2000, 2008, and COVID crashes, demonstrating how growth compounding offsets entry price if growth underwriting is sound.10:18–12:19 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Measuring Venture Success and Timeline Compression Concerns The host cites a peer VC firm's metric of tracking unicorn market share to question how Insight measures success. Deven reframes the discussion to highlight that compressed decision timelines present a far greater threat than high valuations.12:19–14:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Temporal Diversification and Shifting Fund Deployment Speeds The host questions whether temporal diversification principles are being abandoned in fast markets. Deven provides institutional context regarding LP expectations, deployment velocity, and fee drag.14:31–16:38 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Art of Negotiation: Honesty and Handshake Deals The host quotes Insight co-founder Jeff Lieberman praising Deven's negotiation tactics. Deven outlines his philosophy, rejecting aggressive brinksmanship in favor of transparency and handshake deals.16:38–19:42 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Ownership Flexibility and Venture Buyout Strategies The host quotes David Tisch regarding founder views on VC ownership and directly confronts Deven on the signaling risk of multi-stage investing. Deven explains Insight's buyout-venture hybrid model and addresses signaling concerns.19:42–22:06 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Evolution of Governance and Effective Board Dynamics The host asks about Deven's evolution as a board member over two decades. Deven shares lessons on remaining even-keeled and respecting boundaries between directors and operators.22:06–24:48 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Optimizing Board Meetings and Delivering Delicate Feedback The host probes tactical board dynamics around delivering uncomfortable leadership feedback to CEOs. Deven explains why delicate feedback must be delivered privately to avoid triggering defensive reactions.24:48–26:54 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Time Allocation Frameworks Across Portfolio Companies The host outlines theoretical portfolio time allocation models. Deven humorously rejects the concept of robotic time allocation, explaining the human elements of investor behavior.26:54–29:33 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Overcoming Investor Insecurities and Retaining Objective Judgment The host asks a personal question about investor self-doubt. Deven candidly identifies as an insecure overachiever and describes Insight's self-critical internal culture.29:33–37:43 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Empowering Junior Talent and Accelerating Conviction The host references decision-making concepts from Annie Duke and tests Deven's conviction techniques. Deven describes enforcing junior-first speaking rules in diligence meetings and making fast choices under uncertainty.2:33–5:18 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Deven Parekh's Journey from Science to Insight Partners The host asks a straightforward background question about Deven's career trajectory. The guest responds with a polite personal narrative about transitioning from biochemistry to economics before joining Insight.5:18–10:18 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Historical Market Crashes and Software Model Resilience The host pushes back on inflated software valuations by citing explicit market examples of early-stage ARR multiples. Deven reframes the concern by comparing 2000, 2008, and COVID crashes, demonstrating how growth compounding offsets entry price if growth underwriting is sound.10:18–12:19 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Measuring Venture Success and Timeline Compression Concerns The host cites a peer VC firm's metric of tracking unicorn market share to question how Insight measures success. Deven reframes the discussion to highlight that compressed decision timelines present a far greater threat than high valuations.12:19–14:31 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Temporal Diversification and Shifting Fund Deployment Speeds The host questions whether temporal diversification principles are being abandoned in fast markets. Deven provides institutional context regarding LP expectations, deployment velocity, and fee drag.14:31–16:38 · Harry pushing back 1/10 The Art of Negotiation: Honesty and Handshake Deals The host quotes Insight co-founder Jeff Lieberman praising Deven's negotiation tactics. Deven outlines his philosophy, rejecting aggressive brinksmanship in favor of transparency and handshake deals.16:38–19:42 · Harry pushing back 5/10 Ownership Flexibility and Venture Buyout Strategies The host quotes David Tisch regarding founder views on VC ownership and directly confronts Deven on the signaling risk of multi-stage investing. Deven explains Insight's buyout-venture hybrid model and addresses signaling concerns.19:42–22:06 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Evolution of Governance and Effective Board Dynamics The host asks about Deven's evolution as a board member over two decades. Deven shares lessons on remaining even-keeled and respecting boundaries between directors and operators.22:06–24:48 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Optimizing Board Meetings and Delivering Delicate Feedback The host probes tactical board dynamics around delivering uncomfortable leadership feedback to CEOs. Deven explains why delicate feedback must be delivered privately to avoid triggering defensive reactions.24:48–26:54 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Time Allocation Frameworks Across Portfolio Companies The host outlines theoretical portfolio time allocation models. Deven humorously rejects the concept of robotic time allocation, explaining the human elements of investor behavior.26:54–29:33 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Overcoming Investor Insecurities and Retaining Objective Judgment The host asks a personal question about investor self-doubt. Deven candidly identifies as an insecure overachiever and describes Insight's self-critical internal culture.29:33–37:43 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Empowering Junior Talent and Accelerating Conviction The host references decision-making concepts from Annie Duke and tests Deven's conviction techniques. Deven describes enforcing junior-first speaking rules in diligence meetings and making fast choices under uncertainty.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 95.9% · guest 4.1%0:00 · Harry 95.9% · guest 4.1%3:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%3:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%6:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%6:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%9:00 · Harry 26% · guest 74%9:00 · Harry 26% · guest 74%12:00 · Harry 21.2% · guest 78.8%12:00 · Harry 21.2% · guest 78.8%15:00 · Harry 19.1% · guest 80.9%15:00 · Harry 19.1% · guest 80.9%18:00 · Harry 19.7% · guest 80.3%18:00 · Harry 19.7% · guest 80.3%21:00 · Harry 21.5% · guest 78.5%21:00 · Harry 21.5% · guest 78.5%24:00 · Harry 19.5% · guest 80.5%24:00 · Harry 19.5% · guest 80.5%27:00 · Harry 28.1% · guest 71.9%27:00 · Harry 28.1% · guest 71.9%30:00 · Harry 26.7% · guest 73.3%30:00 · Harry 26.7% · guest 73.3%33:00 · Harry 13.3% · guest 86.7%33:00 · Harry 13.3% · guest 86.7%36:00 · Harry 51.9% · guest 48.1%36:00 · Harry 51.9% · guest 48.1%39:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%39:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 8:00 Rejection of valuation panic

Deven directly challenges the prevailing market anxiety surrounding sky-high valuations, arguing that entry price matters little if long-term growth underwriting is correct.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 18:28 Confronting signaling risk

Harry directly challenges Deven on a touchy founder concern, asking how multi-stage funds mitigate the negative signaling risk when they decline to follow on in subsequent rounds.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:34 Historical analysis of market dislocations

Deven educates the host by contrasting the 2000 dot-com bubble, the 2008 financial crisis, and COVID-19 to demonstrate why software model resilience was fundamentally misunderstood.

Harry holds his own ▶ 9:01 Challenging multi-billion dollar valuations on modest ARR

Harry cites specific current deal dynamics—such as 5 to 10 million ARR companies receiving 1.5 billion dollar valuations—and openly expresses skepticism about companies growing into those prices.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Deven Parekh's Journey from Science to Insight Partners 2110 The host asks a straightforward background question about Deven's career trajectory. The guest responds with a polite personal narrative about transitioning from biochemistry to economics before joining Insight.
Historical Market Crashes and Software Model Resilience 4623 The host pushes back on inflated software valuations by citing explicit market examples of early-stage ARR multiples. Deven reframes the concern by comparing 2000, 2008, and COVID crashes, demonstrating how growth compounding offsets entry price if growth underwriting is sound.
Measuring Venture Success and Timeline Compression Concerns 4522 The host cites a peer VC firm's metric of tracking unicorn market share to question how Insight measures success. Deven reframes the discussion to highlight that compressed decision timelines present a far greater threat than high valuations.
Temporal Diversification and Shifting Fund Deployment Speeds 4512 The host questions whether temporal diversification principles are being abandoned in fast markets. Deven provides institutional context regarding LP expectations, deployment velocity, and fee drag.
The Art of Negotiation: Honesty and Handshake Deals 3421 The host quotes Insight co-founder Jeff Lieberman praising Deven's negotiation tactics. Deven outlines his philosophy, rejecting aggressive brinksmanship in favor of transparency and handshake deals.
Ownership Flexibility and Venture Buyout Strategies 5425 The host quotes David Tisch regarding founder views on VC ownership and directly confronts Deven on the signaling risk of multi-stage investing. Deven explains Insight's buyout-venture hybrid model and addresses signaling concerns.
Evolution of Governance and Effective Board Dynamics 3411 The host asks about Deven's evolution as a board member over two decades. Deven shares lessons on remaining even-keeled and respecting boundaries between directors and operators.
Optimizing Board Meetings and Delivering Delicate Feedback 4413 The host probes tactical board dynamics around delivering uncomfortable leadership feedback to CEOs. Deven explains why delicate feedback must be delivered privately to avoid triggering defensive reactions.
Time Allocation Frameworks Across Portfolio Companies 4522 The host outlines theoretical portfolio time allocation models. Deven humorously rejects the concept of robotic time allocation, explaining the human elements of investor behavior.
Overcoming Investor Insecurities and Retaining Objective Judgment 3311 The host asks a personal question about investor self-doubt. Deven candidly identifies as an insecure overachiever and describes Insight's self-critical internal culture.
Empowering Junior Talent and Accelerating Conviction 5412 The host references decision-making concepts from Annie Duke and tests Deven's conviction techniques. Deven describes enforcing junior-first speaking rules in diligence meetings and making fast choices under uncertainty.

Statements from this episode (23)

Assertion Supported
Insight Partners manages over $30B and 400 portfolio companies
“In the hot seat, one of the biggest capital deployers in the market with over thirty billion in capital commitments and over 400 portfolio companies.”
Harry Stebbings May 17, 2021 ▶ 0:04
Disclosure
Deven Parekh initially rejected Insight Partners founders before their first fund
“I, thinking I was a hotshot vice president, you know, at the age of 25, And they were two people without a fund. Didn't seem like a really good decision, so I decided, no, I think I'm going to stay, but you guys should go do this”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 4:50
Disclosure
Insight Partners incorrectly predicted severe underperformance and halted deployment during COVID
“Where we all met with our LPs. We said, you know, we're probably not going to deploy any capital. Valuations are going to go down dramatically. Get ready for probably our worst performance in a really long time. And of course, none of that came true.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 6:19
Assertion Partly supported
Deven Parekh estimates only 20% of software workloads are in the cloud
“Even with the amount of growth we've had over the last 10 or 20 years, you know, only 20% of loads, as an example, are in the cloud, right?”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 7:46
Disclosure
Insight Partners' successive funds have seen higher median portfolio growth rates
“If you look at our kind of median growth rate in our funds, you know, fund five, fund six, fund seven, fund eight, as you get to each successive fund, the median growth rate is higher, and that's with bigger funds.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 7:59
Insight
Deven Parekh argues venture investments fail from missed growth, not overpaying
“We have a line that we use internally is that we never overpay. Companies miss their numbers. What it really is saying, if we're right on our growth underwriting, price is not really the problem, because it's amazing the power of compounding.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 8:24
Disclosure
Insight Partners' biggest misses came from passing on high valuations
“When we do our analysis of the deals that worked and the deals that didn't work, we often find is when we did something that we thought was cheap, those didn't work particularly well either. And I think that where we've generally had misses, they've been more …”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 9:41
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Deven Parekh predicts rushed venture deal timelines will cause negative outcomes
“I think the bigger challenge today, to be honest with you, Harry, is less around price. It's more on how quickly decisions are having to get made, and I think that, I think, might have, you know, negative implications, not just for investors, but also for foun…”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 11:30
Insight
Deven Parekh argues early-stage diligence requires more time than late-stage
“And I think in some ways at an earlier stage, it's even more important to spend that time because you're really betting on the person. You're not betting on a Set of financial metrics, which we can do in a later stage company.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 12:10
Assertion Supported
Deven Parekh notes two-and-a-half-year fund deployment pacing is the venture average
“I think we're probably now average in two and a half years, and certainly a lot of firms are coming back even sooner.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 13:44
Insight
Deven Parekh argues brinksmanship negotiation tactics fail in venture deals
“People feel like, oh, in order to negotiate, you have to have this brinksmanship style. Actually, honestly, don't think that works.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 15:29
Disclosure
Insight Partners invested in Checkout.com on a handshake without a term sheet
“I mean, you've got to be at checkout. I mean, we did that deal on a handshake. We never signed a term sheet.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 15:39
Assertion Supported
Insight Partners operates without minimum ownership targets for its investments
“We don't have, like, a minimum threshold. We don't have a minimum percentage we have to own. You know, we have companies where we own as little as three, four percent, and we have companies where we own north of 90%.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 17:17
Assertion Supported
Insight Partners acquires 70-80% of unprofitable venture companies using zero leverage
“We also do control deals where we're buying control of companies that you would define as a venture company, where a set of existing investors For whatever set of reasons, wants to get liquidity. And we're excited about the growth profile of the company. They …”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 17:29
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Deven Parekh argues insider signaling risk no longer prevents follow-on rounds
“I mean, the market has shown that the signaling risk is not that significant of a risk. That is entirely possible for us to invest in something earlier, for us to not pursue the next round, and for the companies still have to be able to raise capital.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 18:51
Insight
Deven Parekh recommends splitting CFO financial reviews from board strategy discussions
“The board meetings I enjoy the most, where I have enough influence to be able to do this, I've broken up the board meeting into two separate board meetings. So one's a Financial overview of performance where the CFO just presents the financial performance. Peo…”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 22:33
Insight
Deven Parekh advises delivering critical executive feedback one-on-one, not in board meetings
“We tend to be defensive when people critique us in front of five people, and we tend to be less defensive when people talk to us kind of one-on-one, or at least I do. And so I find that those conversations are much more kind of constructive and people are more…”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 24:15
Insight
Deven Parekh argues return-optimizing VCs should focus time on middle-tier companies
“If you said, I'm a robot, and I'm going to allocate my time in a way that totally optimizes fund returns. Actually, you spend almost no time with the winners. The market's great. The management's great. You're a cheerleader. You're not adding as much value as …”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 25:03
Disclosure
Deven Parekh notes famous VCs share insecurities about sourcing top deals
“I've talked, I won't name people, but I've talked to people at other Funds who are really well-known names, I mean, way better known names than me, who have the same concern about, can they keep up? Can they continue to find great deals?”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 27:28
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Insight Partners focuses more on missed deals than successful investments
“We spend way more of our time beating ourselves up on the things that we missed, and why didn't we look at that area, or are we not being aggressive enough in that area, or why didn't we do that deal when we saw it? So I think the first thing is you constantly…”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 28:39
Insight
Deven Parekh requires junior team members to speak first in diligence meetings
“And my approach on those is always to start with the most junior person and go to the most senior person, as opposed to start with the most senior person and go the other way. I mean, I have the most junior person Speak first. Now, they don't like to be the fi…”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 30:22
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Deven Parekh notes Insight Partners' top cryptocurrency expert is 25 years old
“The smartest person about cryptocurrency at Insight, 25. And if I want to learn about it, I have to go back to first principles and learn it As if I'm 25, too.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 33:09
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Deven Parekh predicts life sciences will see Moore's Law-style compounding growth
“And you can think about a category that I think is going to have the same type of growth over the next 10 to 20 years and has had the same type, if not more, Moore's law effects. It's life sciences, biotech, pharma.”
Deven Parekh May 17, 2021 ▶ 37:07
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