Apr 1, 2021 · 39m · 20vc

20VC: How To Deliver Feedback with Compassion and Clarity, WTF Are Values Really and How To Instill Them & Raising $50M+ From Index and Greylock but Remaining in Stealth for 12 Months with Linda Lian, Co-Founder & CEO @ CommonRoom

Linda Lian · 27m spoken Harry Stebbings · 9m spoken
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Linda Lian, co-founder and CEO of Common Room, about her journey from AWS to raising over $50 million in stealth mode. Linda shares actionable insights on compassionate leadership, establishing startup values, strategic senior hiring, customer discovery, and founder resilience.

How this conversation actually went

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Harry as informed peer 2.9 Guest teaching 2.3 Guest disagreement 1.4 Harry pushing back 1.7
05100:0010:0020:0030:002:45–7:13 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Founding Common Room and the Rise of Developer-Led Growth Harry opens with a broad question about the founding 'aha moment' for Common Room. Linda gently reframes the premise, explaining that 'aha moments' are rarely a single instant but rather a combination of multiple experiences over time across venture and AWS.7:13–9:26 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Amazon Leadership Principles and Frameworks for Disagreement Harry references specific tech figures like David Richardson and Jeff Wiener. Linda educates the host on how Amazon leadership principles function practically, introducing the idea that corporate values serve as a mechanism for employee disagreement against executives.9:26–12:56 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Practical Strategies for Instilling and Refining Corporate Values Harry pushes on generic corporate values, questioning how slogans like 'strive for excellence' actually translate into meaningful operational principles. Linda walks through her exact evaluation and iteration process for company values.12:56–16:12 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Compassionate Leadership, Transparency, and Delivering Direct Feedback Harry challenges the balance between direct candor and compassion, sharing his own struggle with giving overly soft feedback. Linda explicitly rejects conventional feedback methods like the 'shit sandwich' in favor of direct transparency.16:12–20:53 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Hiring Senior Talent and Executing the 'Long Poach' Harry demonstrates active prep by bringing up back-channel context from investor Chris at Index regarding Linda's recruiting tactics. He presses her on her unusual early strategy of exclusively hiring senior staff.20:53–24:02 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Personal Resilience, Persistence, and Learning to Delegate Harry asks a sharp probing question about how to distinguish between necessary persistence and knowing when one is simply bad at a task and should delegate. Linda responds openly with personal anecdotes about her administrative weaknesses.24:02–26:52 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Decision-Making Frameworks: Data Processing and Intuition Harry leverages information from co-founder Viraj to ask about Linda's rapid mind-changing ability and how she avoids flippancy. He further probes the tension between head and heart in decision-making.26:52–30:13 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Stealth Strategy, Fundraising, and Effective Customer Discovery Harry asks for practical advice on structuring customer discovery conversations without getting superficial answers. Linda explains that founders should focus on customer problems rather than asking for specific feature requests.30:13–37:27 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Competition, Angels, and Future Vision In the quick fire round, Linda rejects standard assumptions around competition and reading business books. She contrariantly frames competition as organizational inertia rather than rival companies.2:45–7:13 · Guest teaching 3/10 Founding Common Room and the Rise of Developer-Led Growth Harry opens with a broad question about the founding 'aha moment' for Common Room. Linda gently reframes the premise, explaining that 'aha moments' are rarely a single instant but rather a combination of multiple experiences over time across venture and AWS.7:13–9:26 · Guest teaching 4/10 Amazon Leadership Principles and Frameworks for Disagreement Harry references specific tech figures like David Richardson and Jeff Wiener. Linda educates the host on how Amazon leadership principles function practically, introducing the idea that corporate values serve as a mechanism for employee disagreement against executives.9:26–12:56 · Guest teaching 2/10 Practical Strategies for Instilling and Refining Corporate Values Harry pushes on generic corporate values, questioning how slogans like 'strive for excellence' actually translate into meaningful operational principles. Linda walks through her exact evaluation and iteration process for company values.12:56–16:12 · Guest teaching 2/10 Compassionate Leadership, Transparency, and Delivering Direct Feedback Harry challenges the balance between direct candor and compassion, sharing his own struggle with giving overly soft feedback. Linda explicitly rejects conventional feedback methods like the 'shit sandwich' in favor of direct transparency.16:12–20:53 · Guest teaching 1/10 Hiring Senior Talent and Executing the 'Long Poach' Harry demonstrates active prep by bringing up back-channel context from investor Chris at Index regarding Linda's recruiting tactics. He presses her on her unusual early strategy of exclusively hiring senior staff.20:53–24:02 · Guest teaching 1/10 Personal Resilience, Persistence, and Learning to Delegate Harry asks a sharp probing question about how to distinguish between necessary persistence and knowing when one is simply bad at a task and should delegate. Linda responds openly with personal anecdotes about her administrative weaknesses.24:02–26:52 · Guest teaching 2/10 Decision-Making Frameworks: Data Processing and Intuition Harry leverages information from co-founder Viraj to ask about Linda's rapid mind-changing ability and how she avoids flippancy. He further probes the tension between head and heart in decision-making.26:52–30:13 · Guest teaching 3/10 Stealth Strategy, Fundraising, and Effective Customer Discovery Harry asks for practical advice on structuring customer discovery conversations without getting superficial answers. Linda explains that founders should focus on customer problems rather than asking for specific feature requests.30:13–37:27 · Guest teaching 3/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Competition, Angels, and Future Vision In the quick fire round, Linda rejects standard assumptions around competition and reading business books. She contrariantly frames competition as organizational inertia rather than rival companies.2:45–7:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founding Common Room and the Rise of Developer-Led Growth Harry opens with a broad question about the founding 'aha moment' for Common Room. Linda gently reframes the premise, explaining that 'aha moments' are rarely a single instant but rather a combination of multiple experiences over time across venture and AWS.7:13–9:26 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Amazon Leadership Principles and Frameworks for Disagreement Harry references specific tech figures like David Richardson and Jeff Wiener. Linda educates the host on how Amazon leadership principles function practically, introducing the idea that corporate values serve as a mechanism for employee disagreement against executives.9:26–12:56 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Practical Strategies for Instilling and Refining Corporate Values Harry pushes on generic corporate values, questioning how slogans like 'strive for excellence' actually translate into meaningful operational principles. Linda walks through her exact evaluation and iteration process for company values.12:56–16:12 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Compassionate Leadership, Transparency, and Delivering Direct Feedback Harry challenges the balance between direct candor and compassion, sharing his own struggle with giving overly soft feedback. Linda explicitly rejects conventional feedback methods like the 'shit sandwich' in favor of direct transparency.16:12–20:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Hiring Senior Talent and Executing the 'Long Poach' Harry demonstrates active prep by bringing up back-channel context from investor Chris at Index regarding Linda's recruiting tactics. He presses her on her unusual early strategy of exclusively hiring senior staff.20:53–24:02 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Personal Resilience, Persistence, and Learning to Delegate Harry asks a sharp probing question about how to distinguish between necessary persistence and knowing when one is simply bad at a task and should delegate. Linda responds openly with personal anecdotes about her administrative weaknesses.24:02–26:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Decision-Making Frameworks: Data Processing and Intuition Harry leverages information from co-founder Viraj to ask about Linda's rapid mind-changing ability and how she avoids flippancy. He further probes the tension between head and heart in decision-making.26:52–30:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Stealth Strategy, Fundraising, and Effective Customer Discovery Harry asks for practical advice on structuring customer discovery conversations without getting superficial answers. Linda explains that founders should focus on customer problems rather than asking for specific feature requests.30:13–37:27 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Competition, Angels, and Future Vision In the quick fire round, Linda rejects standard assumptions around competition and reading business books. She contrariantly frames competition as organizational inertia rather than rival companies.2:45–7:13 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Founding Common Room and the Rise of Developer-Led Growth Harry opens with a broad question about the founding 'aha moment' for Common Room. Linda gently reframes the premise, explaining that 'aha moments' are rarely a single instant but rather a combination of multiple experiences over time across venture and AWS.7:13–9:26 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Amazon Leadership Principles and Frameworks for Disagreement Harry references specific tech figures like David Richardson and Jeff Wiener. Linda educates the host on how Amazon leadership principles function practically, introducing the idea that corporate values serve as a mechanism for employee disagreement against executives.9:26–12:56 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Practical Strategies for Instilling and Refining Corporate Values Harry pushes on generic corporate values, questioning how slogans like 'strive for excellence' actually translate into meaningful operational principles. Linda walks through her exact evaluation and iteration process for company values.12:56–16:12 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Compassionate Leadership, Transparency, and Delivering Direct Feedback Harry challenges the balance between direct candor and compassion, sharing his own struggle with giving overly soft feedback. Linda explicitly rejects conventional feedback methods like the 'shit sandwich' in favor of direct transparency.16:12–20:53 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Hiring Senior Talent and Executing the 'Long Poach' Harry demonstrates active prep by bringing up back-channel context from investor Chris at Index regarding Linda's recruiting tactics. He presses her on her unusual early strategy of exclusively hiring senior staff.20:53–24:02 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Personal Resilience, Persistence, and Learning to Delegate Harry asks a sharp probing question about how to distinguish between necessary persistence and knowing when one is simply bad at a task and should delegate. Linda responds openly with personal anecdotes about her administrative weaknesses.24:02–26:52 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Decision-Making Frameworks: Data Processing and Intuition Harry leverages information from co-founder Viraj to ask about Linda's rapid mind-changing ability and how she avoids flippancy. He further probes the tension between head and heart in decision-making.26:52–30:13 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Stealth Strategy, Fundraising, and Effective Customer Discovery Harry asks for practical advice on structuring customer discovery conversations without getting superficial answers. Linda explains that founders should focus on customer problems rather than asking for specific feature requests.30:13–37:27 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Competition, Angels, and Future Vision In the quick fire round, Linda rejects standard assumptions around competition and reading business books. She contrariantly frames competition as organizational inertia rather than rival companies.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 98.8% · guest 1.2%0:00 · Harry 98.8% · guest 1.2%3:00 · Harry 4.4% · guest 95.6%3:00 · Harry 4.4% · guest 95.6%6:00 · Harry 7.3% · guest 92.7%6:00 · Harry 7.3% · guest 92.7%9:00 · Harry 16.2% · guest 83.8%9:00 · Harry 16.2% · guest 83.8%12:00 · Harry 19.2% · guest 80.8%12:00 · Harry 19.2% · guest 80.8%15:00 · Harry 24.7% · guest 75.3%15:00 · Harry 24.7% · guest 75.3%18:00 · Harry 12.7% · guest 87.3%18:00 · Harry 12.7% · guest 87.3%21:00 · Harry 20.9% · guest 79.1%21:00 · Harry 20.9% · guest 79.1%24:00 · Harry 19.6% · guest 80.4%24:00 · Harry 19.6% · guest 80.4%27:00 · Harry 23.6% · guest 76.4%27:00 · Harry 23.6% · guest 76.4%30:00 · Harry 20.7% · guest 79.3%30:00 · Harry 20.7% · guest 79.3%33:00 · Harry 21.8% · guest 78.2%33:00 · Harry 21.8% · guest 78.2%36:00 · Harry 56.1% · guest 43.9%36:00 · Harry 56.1% · guest 43.9%39:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%39:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 31:27 Dismissing traditional views on competition

Linda completely rejects the host's premise regarding competitors, asserting that no company is her competition and framing her real opponent as organizational inertia and human nature.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 11:32 Challenging generic corporate values

Harry refuses to accept generic descriptions of values like 'strive for excellence' and challenges Linda to explain how such broad phrases are actually made concrete.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 8:15 Values as an employee disagreement tool

Linda educates Harry on a counterintuitive insight from AWS: company values exist to give junior employees a formal framework to disagree with executive leadership.

Harry holds his own ▶ 18:47 Bringing insider intel on 'the long poach'

Harry demonstrates deep episode prep and domain context by citing private conversations with investor Chris at Index to probe Linda's specific recruiting technique.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Founding Common Room and the Rise of Developer-Led Growth 1310 Harry opens with a broad question about the founding 'aha moment' for Common Room. Linda gently reframes the premise, explaining that 'aha moments' are rarely a single instant but rather a combination of multiple experiences over time across venture and AWS.
Amazon Leadership Principles and Frameworks for Disagreement 2410 Harry references specific tech figures like David Richardson and Jeff Wiener. Linda educates the host on how Amazon leadership principles function practically, introducing the idea that corporate values serve as a mechanism for employee disagreement against executives.
Practical Strategies for Instilling and Refining Corporate Values 3212 Harry pushes on generic corporate values, questioning how slogans like 'strive for excellence' actually translate into meaningful operational principles. Linda walks through her exact evaluation and iteration process for company values.
Compassionate Leadership, Transparency, and Delivering Direct Feedback 2223 Harry challenges the balance between direct candor and compassion, sharing his own struggle with giving overly soft feedback. Linda explicitly rejects conventional feedback methods like the 'shit sandwich' in favor of direct transparency.
Hiring Senior Talent and Executing the 'Long Poach' 4112 Harry demonstrates active prep by bringing up back-channel context from investor Chris at Index regarding Linda's recruiting tactics. He presses her on her unusual early strategy of exclusively hiring senior staff.
Personal Resilience, Persistence, and Learning to Delegate 4113 Harry asks a sharp probing question about how to distinguish between necessary persistence and knowing when one is simply bad at a task and should delegate. Linda responds openly with personal anecdotes about her administrative weaknesses.
Decision-Making Frameworks: Data Processing and Intuition 4212 Harry leverages information from co-founder Viraj to ask about Linda's rapid mind-changing ability and how she avoids flippancy. He further probes the tension between head and heart in decision-making.
Stealth Strategy, Fundraising, and Effective Customer Discovery 3311 Harry asks for practical advice on structuring customer discovery conversations without getting superficial answers. Linda explains that founders should focus on customer problems rather than asking for specific feature requests.
Quick Fire Round: Books, Competition, Angels, and Future Vision 3342 In the quick fire round, Linda rejects standard assumptions around competition and reading business books. She contrariantly frames competition as organizational inertia rather than rival companies.

Statements from this episode (17)

Assertion Supported
Common Room raises over $50M from Index, Greylock, and 20VC
“To date, Linda has raised over fifty million dollars with Common Room, from the likes of Danny Reimer at Index, Sarah Grew at Greylock, Dylan Field at Figma, Dick Costolo, and of course, TwentyVC Fund.”
Harry Stebbings Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 0:35
Insight
Linda Lian: Startup aha moments unfold over years, not single instances
“Aha moments aren't really a moment, and for me, I think there were really three ingredients to my aha moment in building common room that happened over the course of probably years.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 3:08
Assertion Partly supported
Linda Lian: AWS launched its developer community programs around 2017
“This was around 2017 when we really started building all of the developer community engagement programs that AWS still has today, including our developer Slack, our Reddit engagement, our Stack Overflow engagement, open sourcing product roadmaps on GitHub.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 5:50
Insight
Linda Lian: Company values serve as a framework for constructive disagreement
“I always saw Amazon's values as a way, a framework for disagreement. It enables employees to lean on the values to advocate for what they think is right, even when it is counter to what their leadership may think.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 8:19
Disclosure
Common Room sends candidates company values ahead of dedicated values interviews
“So we do a core values-based interview where we send the candidate our values, and we say, we're going to ask you questions as part of this interview process that map directly to figuring out whether or not you have these values, whether or not you share these…”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 9:52
Disclosure
Common Room considers changing two company values rarely used in daily operations
“So right now we're actually thinking about changing two of them because we don't use them very much in our day to day life.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 11:02
Insight
Lian: Transparently speaking truth is an act of workplace compassion
“One of the most compassionate things you can do in life or in work is to speak the truth and to speak it transparently.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 13:29
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lian: Common Room bans the 'shit sandwich' method of giving feedback
“One of the things that I'm not a huge fan of is the shit sandwich. Which is this notion that you want to say something nice, and then, you know, give a direct piece of feedback, and then say something nice again. That's not really how I want to communicate, an…”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 15:12
Prediction Held up
Lian: Common Room will hire exclusively senior talent through year end
“Yeah, so it's definitely not a perpetual plan. It is our near-term plan and our plan so far, so probably until the end of this year we'll be looking to bring on board folks who are experienced”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 16:25
Disclosure
Lian: Common Room co-founders initially ignored her cold LinkedIn outreach
“I reached out to Francis and Baraj on LinkedIn, and they ignored me. I didn't hear back from them at all.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 19:29
Insight
Lian: Intuition is the summation of logical reason and subconscious signals
“And so, to me, intuition is the summation of that hard, logical reason, plus a lot of subconscious things that you may not really fully understand in the moment.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 26:23
Insight
Lian: Intuition should override resume credentials when evaluating job candidates
“The example with the candidate that I'll give is someone who looks amazing and perfect on paper, but then when you talk to them, there's a whiff of ego, or there's just something that's not quite right about how they're Speaking about their experience, and the…”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 26:33
Assertion Supported
Common Room operated without a website or marketing until Series B
“We didn't have a website. We hadn't updated our LinkedIns. We had done zero marketing up until we announced Our Series B.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 27:29
Insight
Lian: Never ask customers for features, only for their problems
“We never ask our customers for features. We ask them to tell us their problems, and that's how we always start.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 30:06
Insight
Lian: Common Room's true competition is inertia, not rivals
“I genuinely don't think for what we're trying to do, any company at all is the competition. I really see our competition as inertia, as the way that companies are already doing things, as human nature.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 31:28
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Lian: Dylan Field of Figma was Common Room's first angel investor
“I think the first angel was Dylan Field at Figma.”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 32:32
Insight
Lian: Today's startup crises become tomorrow's happy hour stories
“The horrible situations of today will be the kind of happy hour stories of tomorrow”
Linda Lian Apr 1, 2021 ▶ 36:08
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