Oct 8, 2020 · 24m · 20vc
20VC: CapitalG Founder David Lawee on Why People Overvalue Diversification in Venture, Why Investment Clubs Are More Successful Than Investment Partnerships & How Growth Funds Think About Portfolio Construction, Loss Ratio & Reserves
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews David Lawee, founder of Alphabet's growth fund CapitalG, to discuss investment club decision-making, portfolio concentration, growth equity return mechanics, and board governance.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 39.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 3.0 Guest teaching 4.7 Guest disagreement 1.5 Harry pushing back 1.2
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:33 Rejection of consensus decision-making
David bluntly rejects conventional investment committee dynamics, stating he doesn't care if the group agrees with him because consensus often stifles contrarian high-upside risk taking.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 9:17 Probing on deal-bashing cultureHarry pushes back on the investment club concept, asking how David prevents individual decision-making from devolving into deal-bashing or toxic internal politics.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:52 Growth fund economics vs venture returnsDavid corrects Harry's framing of 3x multiples, educating him on how lower loss ratios in growth equity allow a 3x return profile to generate a top-tier 30 percent IRR.
Harry holds his own ▶ 10:38 Challenging growth focus against industry trendsHarry uses his knowledge of market-wide firm expansion across seed and pre-IPO rounds to challenge David on why staying strictly dedicated to growth equity is optimal.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Welcome and Initial Greeting | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Harry welcomes David and asks for advice on navigating market cycles as someone who hasn't experienced major crashes. David educates Harry on how market volatility creates a prisoner's dilemma for founders and explains why experienced investors can be at a disadvantage during long bull markets due to ingrained risk aversion. | |
| Pricing Sensitivity and Investment Club Structure | 3 | 5 | 3 | 2 | Harry asks how to avoid getting caught in market hypes and valuation spirals. David reframes standard VC decision-making, revealing that CapitalG operates as an investment club where individual partners decide independently rather than relying on consensus, directly rejecting conventional investment committee politics. | |
| The Strategic Focus on Dedicated Growth Equity | 3 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Harry notes the industry trend of venture firms expanding multi-stage and asks why CapitalG remains strictly growth-focused. David outlines the stark operational differences between early-stage networking and thesis-driven growth equity, explaining why growth requires total focus to remain in the ready position. | |
| Assessing Market Catalysts and the 'Why Now' | 3 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks about performance metrics and whether 3x is considered a good return in growth equity. David clarifies fund economics, explaining that growth equity achieves strong IRRs through low loss ratios and tighter distributions rather than seeking power-law home runs like early-stage VC. | |
| Why Investors Overvalue Diversification and Capital Allocation | 4 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Harry brings up portfolio diversification and reserve management strategies. David challenges mainstream VC portfolio theory, asserting that diversification yields diminishing returns beyond five or six core positions and noting that CapitalG's single-LP structure simplifies follow-on reserve planning. | |
| Board Governance Style: Serving as an Honest Mirror | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks for board governance advice as a newer board member. David offers practical guidance on serving as an honest mirror to CEOs rather than dictating orders, followed by a rapid-fire Q&A covering diversity, team performance metrics, and fintech investments. |
Statements from this episode (15)
Larry Page convinced David Lawee to launch CapitalG internally at Alphabet
“At that point, I was in the mindset of leaving Google, and I talked to Larry Page, and the idea was, for me, in that conversation, was to see if he wanted to invest his own capital in my firm, and he said, why don't you do this within Alphabet? And I thought a…”
Lawee: Experience with market cycles causes risk aversion disadvantage in bull markets
“I do feel that there's a little bit of a disadvantage in protracted bull markets of having lived through these cycles, because your experience has taught you to be more risk-averse, and as you're kind of living through a bull market, that's kind of a negative.”
Lawee: Conservative venture investing will ultimately prove correct despite missed gains
“Ultimately, being a little more conservative is going to prove out, but it's not after kind of years of money-making.”
Lawee: Public market swings irrationally distort Series B and C valuations
“People are very impacted by short-term gyrations in the public markets. So we have kind of frothy public markets or fully valued public markets right now, and that affects B rounds, C rounds. Kind of makes no sense.”
CapitalG operates as an investment club where partners make individual decisions
“At the core of it is kind of the decision process, and for us, which is extremely unusual for a growth equity fund, we make the investments individually. The group can and does hopefully help inform that, but it's more of an investment club than kind of an inv…”
Investment clubs generate better returns than traditional venture partnerships
“And I was born from kind of looking at a whole bunch of different investment firms and comparing their returns to that of clubs and coming to the conclusion that clubs were actually doing better.”
Winning growth rounds requires pre-built theses and pre-set target valuations
“The rounds in growth are extremely competitive, just like any segment. And the way to compete is by being in the ready position, like already having your thesis, already kind of knowing what price you would invest, already kind of being able to activate dilige…”
Paying Premium Growth Valuations Requires Believing in Superior Market Compounding
“When you're investing in growth rounds, In order to pay the top price, you need to believe that things are going to compound more than other people. Like, the growth is going to compound. The size of the market expansion is going to compound. And so, you need …”
CapitalG Underwrites Deals to 3X Base Market Growth and 10X Upside
“We'll make three X with a reasonable expectation of market growth. If things go as we hope, then this could be a 10 X. And that's independent of multiple. We're just talking about market expansion.”
David Lawee: CapitalG Targets 25-30% IRR With Low Loss Ratios
“I think our funds are still going to perform in the same IRR neighborhood as venture funds, but the distribution, so we're a three X IRR could be 30% depending on how long it takes you to get the three X. So the IRR for the fund is going to be the same, but th…”
Lawee: Venture diversification yields diminishing returns beyond six investments
“I think people overvalue perceived diversification. I think you get a diminishing return in our business once you get past five or six investments.”
Lawee Planned CapitalG Succession from Day One Under Alphabet Mandate
“People were asking me, who's my successor from the beginning? So I didn't feel that it's something I kind of need to think of all of a sudden. I've always been thinking about that.”
David Lawee: Minority board members should be mirrors, not directive
“I find it's not very effective to tell people what to do as a minority investor. I'd say it's a lot better to try and get them to see you as a mirror and be an honest reflection of what they're saying and help them think about whether they're focused on the ri…”
Lawee: Venture capital is overly clubby and white male-oriented
“It's incredibly clubby. And white male oriented. And I don't think that's helping the entrepreneurial world. It's kind of not helping the venture world decision making. So that's the biggest thing. It's also the hardest thing, but it's kind of the biggest thin…”
Lawee: Ben Horowitz's granular operational knowledge makes a real difference for CEOs
“I was always struck with how much detail he has around the functionings of a business. Like he could explain in detail how the planning group of The finance team versus the accounting group thinks, and the challenges of having someone who's doing one role doin…”