Apr 24, 2017 · 27m · 20vc

20VC: Inside Google's Growth Fund & The 3 Criteria They Look For With Potential Investments with Laela Sturdy, General Partner @ CapitalG

Laela Sturdy · 17m spoken Harry Stebbings · 8m spoken
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Laela Sturdy, General Partner at CapitalG, discussing Alphabet's growth equity investment strategy, core evaluation criteria, and operational value-add for scaling technology companies.

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Harry as informed peer 3.0 Guest teaching 3.1 Guest disagreement 0.9 Harry pushing back 1.1
05100:0010:0020:002:47–5:32 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Laela Sturdy's Journey from Management Consulting and Google Operations to VC Harry asks a basic introductory question regarding Laela's career path from Bain and Google operations into venture capital. Laela delivers a friendly monologue walking through her career trajectory and how David Lawee recruited her to Google Capital.5:32–8:31 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 CapitalG's Mandate and Google's Single LP Structure Harry asks for clarification on the difference between Google Capital and Google Ventures, as well as the single LP structure. Laela educates him on CapitalG's financial focus versus strategic mandate and how they leverage Google's internal operational advisors.8:31–10:52 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Core Criteria for Growth Stage Investments Harry highlights the distinction between early-stage team-based investing and growth-stage metric-based investing. Laela outlines CapitalG's core criteria: market size, product differentiation, and scalable unit economics.10:52–13:31 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Evaluating Market Size, Return Horizon, and Ownership Strategy Harry pushes into specifics about whether CapitalG has strict market size minimums and how heavily ownership percentage dictates dealmaking. Laela reframes growth equity economics, explaining that target return multiples over a five-year horizon matter much more than target ownership percentages.13:31–18:09 · Harry as informed peer 5/10 Product Differentiation and the Role of Brand Equity Harry actively challenges Laela on whether brand equity alone counts as sustainable product differentiation and questions if focusing on unit economics is a paradox for growth stage funds. Laela responds by explaining why brand is hard to underwrite early on and defining growth risk as proving customer acquisition channel scalability.18:09–20:12 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 The Trend of Companies Staying Private Longer Harry frames a question around the industry trend of companies staying private longer, asking if it is a concern or an opportunity. Laela details how CapitalG's single patient LP enables longer hold times than traditional venture funds.20:12–24:33 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 The Shift Toward Operational Value-Add in Venture Capital Harry asks about operational value-add trends in venture capital before transitioning into a quickfire round. Laela offers a contrarian perspective on diversity hiring in tech, arguing that achieving diversity is not as difficult as conventional wisdom claims.24:33–25:23 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Recent Public Investment Case Study: Care.com Harry asks about CapitalG's recent public investment in Care.com. Laela provides the thesis behind the PIPE deal based on market leadership and scale.2:47–5:32 · Guest teaching 2/10 Laela Sturdy's Journey from Management Consulting and Google Operations to VC Harry asks a basic introductory question regarding Laela's career path from Bain and Google operations into venture capital. Laela delivers a friendly monologue walking through her career trajectory and how David Lawee recruited her to Google Capital.5:32–8:31 · Guest teaching 4/10 CapitalG's Mandate and Google's Single LP Structure Harry asks for clarification on the difference between Google Capital and Google Ventures, as well as the single LP structure. Laela educates him on CapitalG's financial focus versus strategic mandate and how they leverage Google's internal operational advisors.8:31–10:52 · Guest teaching 3/10 Core Criteria for Growth Stage Investments Harry highlights the distinction between early-stage team-based investing and growth-stage metric-based investing. Laela outlines CapitalG's core criteria: market size, product differentiation, and scalable unit economics.10:52–13:31 · Guest teaching 4/10 Evaluating Market Size, Return Horizon, and Ownership Strategy Harry pushes into specifics about whether CapitalG has strict market size minimums and how heavily ownership percentage dictates dealmaking. Laela reframes growth equity economics, explaining that target return multiples over a five-year horizon matter much more than target ownership percentages.13:31–18:09 · Guest teaching 5/10 Product Differentiation and the Role of Brand Equity Harry actively challenges Laela on whether brand equity alone counts as sustainable product differentiation and questions if focusing on unit economics is a paradox for growth stage funds. Laela responds by explaining why brand is hard to underwrite early on and defining growth risk as proving customer acquisition channel scalability.18:09–20:12 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Trend of Companies Staying Private Longer Harry frames a question around the industry trend of companies staying private longer, asking if it is a concern or an opportunity. Laela details how CapitalG's single patient LP enables longer hold times than traditional venture funds.20:12–24:33 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Shift Toward Operational Value-Add in Venture Capital Harry asks about operational value-add trends in venture capital before transitioning into a quickfire round. Laela offers a contrarian perspective on diversity hiring in tech, arguing that achieving diversity is not as difficult as conventional wisdom claims.24:33–25:23 · Guest teaching 2/10 Recent Public Investment Case Study: Care.com Harry asks about CapitalG's recent public investment in Care.com. Laela provides the thesis behind the PIPE deal based on market leadership and scale.2:47–5:32 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Laela Sturdy's Journey from Management Consulting and Google Operations to VC Harry asks a basic introductory question regarding Laela's career path from Bain and Google operations into venture capital. Laela delivers a friendly monologue walking through her career trajectory and how David Lawee recruited her to Google Capital.5:32–8:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 CapitalG's Mandate and Google's Single LP Structure Harry asks for clarification on the difference between Google Capital and Google Ventures, as well as the single LP structure. Laela educates him on CapitalG's financial focus versus strategic mandate and how they leverage Google's internal operational advisors.8:31–10:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Core Criteria for Growth Stage Investments Harry highlights the distinction between early-stage team-based investing and growth-stage metric-based investing. Laela outlines CapitalG's core criteria: market size, product differentiation, and scalable unit economics.10:52–13:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Evaluating Market Size, Return Horizon, and Ownership Strategy Harry pushes into specifics about whether CapitalG has strict market size minimums and how heavily ownership percentage dictates dealmaking. Laela reframes growth equity economics, explaining that target return multiples over a five-year horizon matter much more than target ownership percentages.13:31–18:09 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Product Differentiation and the Role of Brand Equity Harry actively challenges Laela on whether brand equity alone counts as sustainable product differentiation and questions if focusing on unit economics is a paradox for growth stage funds. Laela responds by explaining why brand is hard to underwrite early on and defining growth risk as proving customer acquisition channel scalability.18:09–20:12 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Trend of Companies Staying Private Longer Harry frames a question around the industry trend of companies staying private longer, asking if it is a concern or an opportunity. Laela details how CapitalG's single patient LP enables longer hold times than traditional venture funds.20:12–24:33 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Shift Toward Operational Value-Add in Venture Capital Harry asks about operational value-add trends in venture capital before transitioning into a quickfire round. Laela offers a contrarian perspective on diversity hiring in tech, arguing that achieving diversity is not as difficult as conventional wisdom claims.24:33–25:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Recent Public Investment Case Study: Care.com Harry asks about CapitalG's recent public investment in Care.com. Laela provides the thesis behind the PIPE deal based on market leadership and scale.2:47–5:32 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Laela Sturdy's Journey from Management Consulting and Google Operations to VC Harry asks a basic introductory question regarding Laela's career path from Bain and Google operations into venture capital. Laela delivers a friendly monologue walking through her career trajectory and how David Lawee recruited her to Google Capital.5:32–8:31 · Harry pushing back 0/10 CapitalG's Mandate and Google's Single LP Structure Harry asks for clarification on the difference between Google Capital and Google Ventures, as well as the single LP structure. Laela educates him on CapitalG's financial focus versus strategic mandate and how they leverage Google's internal operational advisors.8:31–10:52 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Core Criteria for Growth Stage Investments Harry highlights the distinction between early-stage team-based investing and growth-stage metric-based investing. Laela outlines CapitalG's core criteria: market size, product differentiation, and scalable unit economics.10:52–13:31 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Evaluating Market Size, Return Horizon, and Ownership Strategy Harry pushes into specifics about whether CapitalG has strict market size minimums and how heavily ownership percentage dictates dealmaking. Laela reframes growth equity economics, explaining that target return multiples over a five-year horizon matter much more than target ownership percentages.13:31–18:09 · Harry pushing back 4/10 Product Differentiation and the Role of Brand Equity Harry actively challenges Laela on whether brand equity alone counts as sustainable product differentiation and questions if focusing on unit economics is a paradox for growth stage funds. Laela responds by explaining why brand is hard to underwrite early on and defining growth risk as proving customer acquisition channel scalability.18:09–20:12 · Harry pushing back 2/10 The Trend of Companies Staying Private Longer Harry frames a question around the industry trend of companies staying private longer, asking if it is a concern or an opportunity. Laela details how CapitalG's single patient LP enables longer hold times than traditional venture funds.20:12–24:33 · Harry pushing back 1/10 The Shift Toward Operational Value-Add in Venture Capital Harry asks about operational value-add trends in venture capital before transitioning into a quickfire round. Laela offers a contrarian perspective on diversity hiring in tech, arguing that achieving diversity is not as difficult as conventional wisdom claims.24:33–25:23 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Recent Public Investment Case Study: Care.com Harry asks about CapitalG's recent public investment in Care.com. Laela provides the thesis behind the PIPE deal based on market leadership and scale.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%0:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%3:00 · Harry 14.2% · guest 85.8%3:00 · Harry 14.2% · guest 85.8%6:00 · Harry 14.5% · guest 85.5%6:00 · Harry 14.5% · guest 85.5%9:00 · Harry 12% · guest 88%9:00 · Harry 12% · guest 88%12:00 · Harry 18.3% · guest 81.7%12:00 · Harry 18.3% · guest 81.7%15:00 · Harry 13.6% · guest 86.4%15:00 · Harry 13.6% · guest 86.4%18:00 · Harry 27.2% · guest 72.8%18:00 · Harry 27.2% · guest 72.8%21:00 · Harry 16.7% · guest 83.3%21:00 · Harry 16.7% · guest 83.3%24:00 · Harry 64.5% · guest 35.5%24:00 · Harry 64.5% · guest 35.5%27:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%27:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 22:49 Contrarian view on diversity hiring

Laela offers a direct contrarian take challenging industry consensus, stating that hiring a diverse and exceptional workforce is not as hard as people in tech claim.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 15:14 Challenging growth vs unit economics

Harry pushes back on Laela's emphasis on unit economics by questioning whether prioritizing unit economics is an inherent paradox in growth-stage venture investing.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:38 Ownership strategy in growth equity

Laela educates Harry on growth equity mechanics, explaining why ownership percentage matters far less compared to early stage VC because target return multiples drive entry decisions regardless of fund stake.

Harry holds his own ▶ 8:30 Differentiating early vs growth stage VC

Harry demonstrates strong industry insight by contrasting early-stage investing dynamics where metrics are sparse with growth-stage investing where established product-market fit requires metric analysis.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Laela Sturdy's Journey from Management Consulting and Google Operations to VC 1200 Harry asks a basic introductory question regarding Laela's career path from Bain and Google operations into venture capital. Laela delivers a friendly monologue walking through her career trajectory and how David Lawee recruited her to Google Capital.
CapitalG's Mandate and Google's Single LP Structure 2410 Harry asks for clarification on the difference between Google Capital and Google Ventures, as well as the single LP structure. Laela educates him on CapitalG's financial focus versus strategic mandate and how they leverage Google's internal operational advisors.
Core Criteria for Growth Stage Investments 3300 Harry highlights the distinction between early-stage team-based investing and growth-stage metric-based investing. Laela outlines CapitalG's core criteria: market size, product differentiation, and scalable unit economics.
Evaluating Market Size, Return Horizon, and Ownership Strategy 4412 Harry pushes into specifics about whether CapitalG has strict market size minimums and how heavily ownership percentage dictates dealmaking. Laela reframes growth equity economics, explaining that target return multiples over a five-year horizon matter much more than target ownership percentages.
Product Differentiation and the Role of Brand Equity 5524 Harry actively challenges Laela on whether brand equity alone counts as sustainable product differentiation and questions if focusing on unit economics is a paradox for growth stage funds. Laela responds by explaining why brand is hard to underwrite early on and defining growth risk as proving customer acquisition channel scalability.
The Trend of Companies Staying Private Longer 4312 Harry frames a question around the industry trend of companies staying private longer, asking if it is a concern or an opportunity. Laela details how CapitalG's single patient LP enables longer hold times than traditional venture funds.
The Shift Toward Operational Value-Add in Venture Capital 3221 Harry asks about operational value-add trends in venture capital before transitioning into a quickfire round. Laela offers a contrarian perspective on diversity hiring in tech, arguing that achieving diversity is not as difficult as conventional wisdom claims.
Recent Public Investment Case Study: Care.com 2200 Harry asks about CapitalG's recent public investment in Care.com. Laela provides the thesis behind the PIPE deal based on market leadership and scale.

Statements from this episode (12)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
CapitalG operates strictly for financial return, not strategic value for Google
“So our only metric for Google capital is financial return. So we're by no means a strategic investor for Google.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 7:00
Insight
Scaling customer acquisition channels often substantially inflates CAC
“One of the big challenges a lot of companies face is they'll get Some sort of product market fit. They'll get one or two customer acquisition channels going, but when you really dive into the details, it's quite hard to scale those customer acquisition channel…”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 10:18
Disclosure
CapitalG does not set minimum market size thresholds for growth investments
“We've never defined, it has to be, you know, XYZ billion or trillion in market size. What we typically look at when we make a decision is we want to understand what our multiple of money will be in our IRR from an investment perspective.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 11:17
Disclosure
CapitalG models growth investments on a five-year return horizon
“For much longer than five years, but as we model investment returns, we typically do it over a five-year horizon.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 11:46
Disclosure
CapitalG prioritizes projected total return over equity ownership percentage targets
“In either case, we don't focus as much on what our ownership percentage will be. We focus on what do we think the investment or multiple of money will be worth five years from the time we put the money in.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 13:19
Insight
Brand equity is difficult to underwrite in growth-stage startup investments
“We find at times in our stage of investing, it can be harder to underwrite, but it's something that we think about the company sort of continuing to build on over time. And the reason I say it's harder to underwrite at our stage is often still the channels tha…”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 14:19
Insight
CapitalG defines growth investing by proof of customer love and unit economics
“The way that we choose to define growth investing is to define it as the point where the, we have some data that gives us strong conviction. It doesn't have to be a lot of data, but some data that gives us strong conviction that there is both a product that cu…”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 16:32
Disclosure
CapitalG targets investment check sizes of $50M to $75M per company
“Our ideal investment is to invest, you know, 50 to seventy five million dollars in companies.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 17:35
Disclosure
CapitalG's single-LP structure with Alphabet allows longer investment hold periods
“Because we have a single LP, who is a very patient LP, that we can have a longer than average hold period compared to maybe some other funds in the market that might be more constrained on this point.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 18:41
Disclosure
CapitalG makes only five or six investments per year
“We only make five or six investments a year, so we have a very focused approach to the companies that we work with, and beyond the Google Capital team, we bring these hundreds of advisors within Google that can help on a very wide range of operational and tech…”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 21:03
Opinion
Sturdy: Hiring a diverse and exceptional tech workforce is not that hard
“One contrarian thought is that I don't think it's as hard as People think to hire a diverse and exceptional workforce. So I think some of the challenges around achieving that are overstated in my view.”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 22:50
Disclosure
CapitalG made its first PIPE investment in Care.com
“So the last public investment that was announced was actually an investment in care.com, which was a pipe deal. So our first investment in a public”
Laela Sturdy Apr 24, 2017 ▶ 24:34
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