Mar 31, 2017 · 26m · 20vc

20VC: Why Every Founder Should Bootstrap Their Startup, How To Solve Information Asymmetry Between Founders and VCs & Living In A Cupboard For Two Years To Fund StyleSeat with Melody McCloskey, Founder & CEO @ StyleSeat

Melody McCloskey · 17m spoken Harry Stebbings · 6m spoken
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, StyleSeat founder and CEO Melody McCloskey shares her journey building a leading beauty marketplace, detailing the transition from extreme bootstrapping to raising major venture capital. She provides actionable insights on executive growth, team delegation, navigating investor dynamics, and scaling a high-growth startup.

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Harry as informed peer 2.1 Guest teaching 4.1 Guest disagreement 1.6 Harry pushing back 1.1
05100:0010:0020:002:20–6:46 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Founding StyleSeat and Initial Bootstrapping Harry prompts Melody with standard origin and role questions. Melody educates on the psychological friction founders face transitioning from hands-on doers to empowering managers.6:46–10:18 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Cultivating Leadership Resilience and Executive Growth Melody explains executive resilience, noting that founders regularly get their ass handed to them by boards and teams. Harry asks open-ended questions to facilitate her reflections.10:18–13:12 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Matching Executive Talent to Company Growth Stages Harry challenges the wisdom of total transparency, asking if open metrics undermine funding leverage. Melody agrees and breaks down the distinct operational mindsets required for early vs late-stage executives.13:12–15:52 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 The Lessons of Bootstrapping and Living on a Budget Melody recounts living in a $400 closet and accumulating debt, contrasting her discipline with entitled founders. Harry synthesizes her story with an insightful domain principle.15:52–18:27 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Raising Series A and B Rounds & VC Partner Selection Melody openly scoffs at VC claims of value-add, noting that founders laugh at such tropes behind closed doors. Harry empathetically validates her observation.18:27–20:37 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Board Management and Executive Coaching Strategies Melody explains why operator experience on boards is vastly superior to pure investor perspective. Harry guides the conversation cleanly.20:37–23:06 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Mentors, and Industry Asymmetry In the quick fire round, Melody criticizes the dark side of information asymmetry in venture capital. Harry concurs, noting that firm logos mean very little.23:09–24:05 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Future Vision and Growth Milestones for StyleSeat Melody shares key milestones, including $1.6B in bookings and imminent profitability. The episode concludes with warm compliments.2:20–6:46 · Guest teaching 4/10 Founding StyleSeat and Initial Bootstrapping Harry prompts Melody with standard origin and role questions. Melody educates on the psychological friction founders face transitioning from hands-on doers to empowering managers.6:46–10:18 · Guest teaching 4/10 Cultivating Leadership Resilience and Executive Growth Melody explains executive resilience, noting that founders regularly get their ass handed to them by boards and teams. Harry asks open-ended questions to facilitate her reflections.10:18–13:12 · Guest teaching 5/10 Matching Executive Talent to Company Growth Stages Harry challenges the wisdom of total transparency, asking if open metrics undermine funding leverage. Melody agrees and breaks down the distinct operational mindsets required for early vs late-stage executives.13:12–15:52 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Lessons of Bootstrapping and Living on a Budget Melody recounts living in a $400 closet and accumulating debt, contrasting her discipline with entitled founders. Harry synthesizes her story with an insightful domain principle.15:52–18:27 · Guest teaching 5/10 Raising Series A and B Rounds & VC Partner Selection Melody openly scoffs at VC claims of value-add, noting that founders laugh at such tropes behind closed doors. Harry empathetically validates her observation.18:27–20:37 · Guest teaching 4/10 Board Management and Executive Coaching Strategies Melody explains why operator experience on boards is vastly superior to pure investor perspective. Harry guides the conversation cleanly.20:37–23:06 · Guest teaching 4/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Mentors, and Industry Asymmetry In the quick fire round, Melody criticizes the dark side of information asymmetry in venture capital. Harry concurs, noting that firm logos mean very little.23:09–24:05 · Guest teaching 2/10 Future Vision and Growth Milestones for StyleSeat Melody shares key milestones, including $1.6B in bookings and imminent profitability. The episode concludes with warm compliments.2:20–6:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founding StyleSeat and Initial Bootstrapping Harry prompts Melody with standard origin and role questions. Melody educates on the psychological friction founders face transitioning from hands-on doers to empowering managers.6:46–10:18 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Cultivating Leadership Resilience and Executive Growth Melody explains executive resilience, noting that founders regularly get their ass handed to them by boards and teams. Harry asks open-ended questions to facilitate her reflections.10:18–13:12 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Matching Executive Talent to Company Growth Stages Harry challenges the wisdom of total transparency, asking if open metrics undermine funding leverage. Melody agrees and breaks down the distinct operational mindsets required for early vs late-stage executives.13:12–15:52 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Lessons of Bootstrapping and Living on a Budget Melody recounts living in a $400 closet and accumulating debt, contrasting her discipline with entitled founders. Harry synthesizes her story with an insightful domain principle.15:52–18:27 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Raising Series A and B Rounds & VC Partner Selection Melody openly scoffs at VC claims of value-add, noting that founders laugh at such tropes behind closed doors. Harry empathetically validates her observation.18:27–20:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Board Management and Executive Coaching Strategies Melody explains why operator experience on boards is vastly superior to pure investor perspective. Harry guides the conversation cleanly.20:37–23:06 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Mentors, and Industry Asymmetry In the quick fire round, Melody criticizes the dark side of information asymmetry in venture capital. Harry concurs, noting that firm logos mean very little.23:09–24:05 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Future Vision and Growth Milestones for StyleSeat Melody shares key milestones, including $1.6B in bookings and imminent profitability. The episode concludes with warm compliments.2:20–6:46 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Founding StyleSeat and Initial Bootstrapping Harry prompts Melody with standard origin and role questions. Melody educates on the psychological friction founders face transitioning from hands-on doers to empowering managers.6:46–10:18 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Cultivating Leadership Resilience and Executive Growth Melody explains executive resilience, noting that founders regularly get their ass handed to them by boards and teams. Harry asks open-ended questions to facilitate her reflections.10:18–13:12 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Matching Executive Talent to Company Growth Stages Harry challenges the wisdom of total transparency, asking if open metrics undermine funding leverage. Melody agrees and breaks down the distinct operational mindsets required for early vs late-stage executives.13:12–15:52 · Harry pushing back 1/10 The Lessons of Bootstrapping and Living on a Budget Melody recounts living in a $400 closet and accumulating debt, contrasting her discipline with entitled founders. Harry synthesizes her story with an insightful domain principle.15:52–18:27 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Raising Series A and B Rounds & VC Partner Selection Melody openly scoffs at VC claims of value-add, noting that founders laugh at such tropes behind closed doors. Harry empathetically validates her observation.18:27–20:37 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Board Management and Executive Coaching Strategies Melody explains why operator experience on boards is vastly superior to pure investor perspective. Harry guides the conversation cleanly.20:37–23:06 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Quick Fire Round: Books, Mentors, and Industry Asymmetry In the quick fire round, Melody criticizes the dark side of information asymmetry in venture capital. Harry concurs, noting that firm logos mean very little.23:09–24:05 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Future Vision and Growth Milestones for StyleSeat Melody shares key milestones, including $1.6B in bookings and imminent profitability. The episode concludes with warm compliments.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 85.6% · guest 14.4%0:00 · Harry 85.6% · guest 14.4%3:00 · Harry 19.3% · guest 80.7%3:00 · Harry 19.3% · guest 80.7%6:00 · Harry 14.1% · guest 85.9%6:00 · Harry 14.1% · guest 85.9%9:00 · Harry 21.9% · guest 78.1%9:00 · Harry 21.9% · guest 78.1%12:00 · Harry 13.4% · guest 86.6%12:00 · Harry 13.4% · guest 86.6%15:00 · Harry 9.5% · guest 90.5%15:00 · Harry 9.5% · guest 90.5%18:00 · Harry 19.6% · guest 80.4%18:00 · Harry 19.6% · guest 80.4%21:00 · Harry 10.8% · guest 89.2%21:00 · Harry 10.8% · guest 89.2%24:00 · Harry 96.9% · guest 3.1%24:00 · Harry 96.9% · guest 3.1%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:05 Dismissing VC 'secret sauce' claims

Melody cynically calls out standard venture marketing, asserting that founders privately laugh at claims of being founder-friendly and offering unique secret sauce.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 11:32 Challenging complete transparency

Harry directly challenges the push for absolute transparency, arguing that revealing short runway timelines to employees during Series A rounds compromises negotiation leverage against VCs.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:38 Differentiating executive stage profiles

Melody reframes the executive talent question, schooling the listener on the rare dichotomy between chaotic gravelly road builders and smooth paved road public company managers.

Harry holds his own ▶ 15:41 Synthesizing bootstrapping discipline

Harry demonstrates keen startup insight by distilling Melody's narrative about severe financial scarcity into the core operational principle that constraint enforces creativity.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Founding StyleSeat and Initial Bootstrapping 2411 Harry prompts Melody with standard origin and role questions. Melody educates on the psychological friction founders face transitioning from hands-on doers to empowering managers.
Cultivating Leadership Resilience and Executive Growth 2411 Melody explains executive resilience, noting that founders regularly get their ass handed to them by boards and teams. Harry asks open-ended questions to facilitate her reflections.
Matching Executive Talent to Company Growth Stages 3523 Harry challenges the wisdom of total transparency, asking if open metrics undermine funding leverage. Melody agrees and breaks down the distinct operational mindsets required for early vs late-stage executives.
The Lessons of Bootstrapping and Living on a Budget 3521 Melody recounts living in a $400 closet and accumulating debt, contrasting her discipline with entitled founders. Harry synthesizes her story with an insightful domain principle.
Raising Series A and B Rounds & VC Partner Selection 2531 Melody openly scoffs at VC claims of value-add, noting that founders laugh at such tropes behind closed doors. Harry empathetically validates her observation.
Board Management and Executive Coaching Strategies 2411 Melody explains why operator experience on boards is vastly superior to pure investor perspective. Harry guides the conversation cleanly.
Quick Fire Round: Books, Mentors, and Industry Asymmetry 2431 In the quick fire round, Melody criticizes the dark side of information asymmetry in venture capital. Harry concurs, noting that firm logos mean very little.
Future Vision and Growth Milestones for StyleSeat 1200 Melody shares key milestones, including $1.6B in bookings and imminent profitability. The episode concludes with warm compliments.

Statements from this episode (19)

Assertion Partly supported
StyleSeat Is Largest Marketplace in $78 Billion Beauty Industry
“Melody McCloskey, founder and CEO at StyleSeat, the largest and fastest growing marketplace in the seventy-eight billion beauty and wellness industry.”
Harry Stebbings Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 0:11
Assertion Supported
StyleSeat Raised Over $40 Million From Sequoia, Sacca, and Other VCs
“They've raised over forty million in challenging funding conditions from some of the true greats of the business, Including Alfred Lynn at Sequoia, Chris Sacker, Jeff Clavier, Eileen Lee, Lightspeed, the list goes on.”
Harry Stebbings Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 0:20
Assertion Supported
McCloskey hired StyleSeat's first engineer via equity-only Craigslist ad
“I found my first engineer by posting an ad on Craigslist and saying, I'm stealth company seeks engineer to build first version of product for equity, only no money. And believe it or not, that actually resulted in a fantastic engineer from Google who had made …”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 3:32
Insight
McCloskey: Founders must transition from doers to leaders after year two
“But after that first year or two, you have to take a completely different type of approach to running and building your business, which is not having all the answers and not being the person to go do it. You turn from a doer to someone who needs to empower the…”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 5:28
Insight
McCloskey: Founders Should Gather Mass Advice From Peers Even If Ignored
“Getting to the next level, whatever problems you have to ask people and you have to ask a ton of people. You can ignore their advice, right? But just getting that information in those data points on this is how other really successful businesses have done it a…”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 7:45
Insight
Melody McCloskey: Founders cannot survive long-term without loving a frenetic pace
“And so those constant challenges you have to love, because if you don't love that super frenetic pace, it's gonna, gonna kill you because it's incredibly, incredibly intense.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 9:10
Insight
Melody McCloskey: CEO longevity requires comfort with executive criticism and transparency
“And if you aren't really comfortable with that level of criticism and transparency, I think that can be challenging to stick around for the long run.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 10:10
Insight
McCloskey: Executives rarely transition successfully between early and late startup stages
“I think it's very rare to see that flexibility. I, it is that rare bird to find the person who can work at the public style company, or the company that's on that smooth paved road that is scaling, that can also go do the early stage stuff, or that gravelly ro…”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 10:39
Insight
McCloskey: Leaking low runway to VCs severely damages fundraising terms
“When, I mean, the biggest challenge is when you are, let's say you're in the A stage of raising money, and you don't have a lot of runway, and as a startup, you need to try and keep as much of the power in that negotiation process as you can, while also, you k…”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 11:55
Opinion
McCloskey: Every founder should bootstrap their startup
“I think everyone should bootstrap because especially in boom times, I mean, a couple of years ago we had pretty significant boom times.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 13:27
Disclosure
McCloskey lived in a closet paying $400 monthly rent to launch StyleSeat
“I saved a ton of money because I lived in, I think it was technically a closet in this home with a whole bunch of other roommates. I paid 400 dollars in rent and I did that for a couple of years and saved a little bit of, yes, saved a little bit of money”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 14:01
Insight
McCloskey: Bootstrapping forces founders to achieve product-market fit faster
“And I think what bootstrapping teaches you is you may never see this dollar again, so you better spend Every hour, every day, getting, you know, to product market fit as fast as possible because time is running out.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 15:06
Disclosure
Melody McCloskey: Garrett Camp and Travis Kalanick were StyleSeat's first angels
“Our first seed round, my very first, well, my first two advisors and angel investors were Garrett Camp and Travis Kalanick.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 15:53
Insight
McCloskey: The individual VC partner matters far more than firm brand
“The partner is so much more important to me than the firm because there's such asymmetry of information between founders and VCs that makes it really hard for a founder.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 17:48
Insight
McCloskey: Operating experience makes board members far more valuable than pure investors
“One of the big lessons that I've learned around what makes a good board member is having as much operation experience as you can, because investors can sort of say, well, here's what we've seen other companies do. Here are some trends and here's some data. And…”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 18:50
Disclosure
Melody McCloskey worked out of Travis Kalanick's house during StyleSeat's early days
“In the beginning, it was Garrett, and then I was working out of Travis's house three days a week for like a year, and then it became Jenny Lefcourt, who after, you know, as the needs have changed for the business, the, my mentors have changed.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 21:49
Insight
McCloskey: VCs maintain information asymmetry because transparency isn't in their interest
“The challenge is that founders can't really share that information because it's not in their best interest, and VCs don't Really want to be transparent because it's not in their best interest, right? They sort of hold all the power. And what that means is that…”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 22:42
Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCloskey: StyleSeat processed $1.6 billion in platform bookings in 2016
“Last year we did about 1.6 billion in bookings across the platform.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 23:14
Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCloskey predicted StyleSeat would reach profitability by 2018
“And I think, you know, we're going to be profitable in the next year.”
Melody McCloskey Mar 31, 2017 ▶ 23:36
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