Apr 4, 2016 · 25m · 20vc
20VC: Greylock's Josh Elman on Why We Are Not In A Consumer Downturn, The Next Wave Of Social and What Twitter Should Do Next
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Greylock partner Josh Elman about his career scaling iconic products at LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter, his frameworks for evaluating user engagement, and his perspective on emerging consumer social trends.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 27.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Josh directly refutes Fred Wilson's article on the mobile downturn, contending that mobile is vibrant for products tapping new emotional connection behaviors.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 9:39 Challenging Consumer Mobile Market ViabilityHarry uses Fred Wilson's widely cited post to press Josh on why consumer mobile apps are struggling, forcing him to defend consumer investing.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 11:51 Reframing App Traction MetricsJosh corrects standard metrics thinking by explaining that cluster dominance and local group conversion are far more telling than top-line aggregate daily active user stats.
Harry holds his own ▶ 5:52 Leveraging Direct Access to Twitter's Head of ProductHarry leverages his relationship with Twitter's Head of Product Jeff Seibert to pitch a targeted product strategy question directly to Josh.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Josh Elman's Early Career and Transition to VC | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Harry asks friendly background questions about Josh's career transition from engineering at early internet companies to venture capital. Josh walks through his history at Real Networks, LinkedIn, and Twitter. | |
| Product Scaling Frameworks and Twitter's Path Forward | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Harry brings up Twitter Head of Product Jeff Seibert to frame a question around product changes for Twitter. Josh explains feed tuning frameworks and the ladder of engagement. | |
| Debunking the Consumer Mobile Downturn and Measuring Engagement | 4 | 5 | 3 | 3 | Harry challenges Josh using Fred Wilson's mobile downturn thesis. Josh disagrees, explaining that mobile growth requires tapping into distinct human behaviors rather than broad generic messaging. | |
| Emerging Social Interfaces: Discord, Video Creation, and Operator | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Harry inquires about emerging social media categories and Operator's business model. Josh outlines the value of live shared experiences like Discord and human-expert conversational commerce. | |
| Investment Thesis Evolution and Key Venture Capital Challenges | 2 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Harry asks about thesis evolution and key VC challenges. Josh reframes the founder-investor relationship as executive hiring rather than transactional fundraising. | |
| Quick Fire Round: Books, Launches, Mentors, and Discord | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | In the quick fire round, Josh discusses favorite books, mentors, and recent investments. He offers counter-consensus insights on investing in desktop apps like Discord. | |
| Episode Conclusion and Preview of Upcoming Features | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Harry concludes the episode with host wrap-up comments, podcast announcements, and an advertisement for Leesa mattresses. |