Nov 16, 2015 · 27m · 20vc

20 VC 088: David Frankel @ Founder Collective: The Most Founder Friendly VC in Existence

David Frankel · 19m spoken Harry Stebbings · 5m spoken
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews David Frankel, Managing Partner at Founder Collective, about his journey from entrepreneur to super angel, Founder Collective's founder-first seed strategy, and his framework for evaluating startup founders and networks.

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Harry as informed peer 2.5 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 1.0 Harry pushing back 1.3
05100:0010:0020:001:35–6:05 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Welcome and Guest Arrival Harry introduces David Frankel and Founder Collective before asking David to share his career trajectory. David provides an extensive background story covering his early ISP startup, HBS experience, and early super angel investments without any friction.6:05–9:02 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Founder Collective's Founder-First Seed Strategy Harry interjects with a brief question about follow-on investments. David details Founder Collective's core strategy of remaining strictly seed-focused to avoid economic conflicts with founders.9:05–12:04 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Evolution as an Investor and Evaluating Teams Harry relays an audience question from Spencer Lazar regarding David's growth as an investor. David reflects thoughtfully on board dynamics and balancing founder assessment with market unit economics.12:04–16:19 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Leveraging Networks and Cultivating Relationships Harry actively probes for actionable networking tactics like hosting dinners or drinks. David gently reframes the question, emphasizing that long-term relationships stem from genuine human curiosity rather than transactional tactics.16:19–20:37 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Unpacking High-Profile Wins: Uber, Coupang, and Founder Naivety After David highlights early investments like Uber and Coupang, Harry challenges him on whether founder naivety can actually be an advantage. David acknowledges his own past naivety while breaking down the volatility trade-offs between technical dreamers and business school founders.20:40–25:46 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Quickfire Round: Idol Investors, Media, Sectors, and PillPack Harry guides a fast-paced quickfire round spanning idol investors, Twitter curation habits, and geographic VC ecosystems. David offers rapid-fire insights on his anti-sector thesis and investments like PillPack.1:35–6:05 · Guest teaching 1/10 Welcome and Guest Arrival Harry introduces David Frankel and Founder Collective before asking David to share his career trajectory. David provides an extensive background story covering his early ISP startup, HBS experience, and early super angel investments without any friction.6:05–9:02 · Guest teaching 2/10 Founder Collective's Founder-First Seed Strategy Harry interjects with a brief question about follow-on investments. David details Founder Collective's core strategy of remaining strictly seed-focused to avoid economic conflicts with founders.9:05–12:04 · Guest teaching 3/10 Evolution as an Investor and Evaluating Teams Harry relays an audience question from Spencer Lazar regarding David's growth as an investor. David reflects thoughtfully on board dynamics and balancing founder assessment with market unit economics.12:04–16:19 · Guest teaching 2/10 Leveraging Networks and Cultivating Relationships Harry actively probes for actionable networking tactics like hosting dinners or drinks. David gently reframes the question, emphasizing that long-term relationships stem from genuine human curiosity rather than transactional tactics.16:19–20:37 · Guest teaching 3/10 Unpacking High-Profile Wins: Uber, Coupang, and Founder Naivety After David highlights early investments like Uber and Coupang, Harry challenges him on whether founder naivety can actually be an advantage. David acknowledges his own past naivety while breaking down the volatility trade-offs between technical dreamers and business school founders.20:40–25:46 · Guest teaching 2/10 Quickfire Round: Idol Investors, Media, Sectors, and PillPack Harry guides a fast-paced quickfire round spanning idol investors, Twitter curation habits, and geographic VC ecosystems. David offers rapid-fire insights on his anti-sector thesis and investments like PillPack.1:35–6:05 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Welcome and Guest Arrival Harry introduces David Frankel and Founder Collective before asking David to share his career trajectory. David provides an extensive background story covering his early ISP startup, HBS experience, and early super angel investments without any friction.6:05–9:02 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founder Collective's Founder-First Seed Strategy Harry interjects with a brief question about follow-on investments. David details Founder Collective's core strategy of remaining strictly seed-focused to avoid economic conflicts with founders.9:05–12:04 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Evolution as an Investor and Evaluating Teams Harry relays an audience question from Spencer Lazar regarding David's growth as an investor. David reflects thoughtfully on board dynamics and balancing founder assessment with market unit economics.12:04–16:19 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Leveraging Networks and Cultivating Relationships Harry actively probes for actionable networking tactics like hosting dinners or drinks. David gently reframes the question, emphasizing that long-term relationships stem from genuine human curiosity rather than transactional tactics.16:19–20:37 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Unpacking High-Profile Wins: Uber, Coupang, and Founder Naivety After David highlights early investments like Uber and Coupang, Harry challenges him on whether founder naivety can actually be an advantage. David acknowledges his own past naivety while breaking down the volatility trade-offs between technical dreamers and business school founders.20:40–25:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Quickfire Round: Idol Investors, Media, Sectors, and PillPack Harry guides a fast-paced quickfire round spanning idol investors, Twitter curation habits, and geographic VC ecosystems. David offers rapid-fire insights on his anti-sector thesis and investments like PillPack.1:35–6:05 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Welcome and Guest Arrival Harry introduces David Frankel and Founder Collective before asking David to share his career trajectory. David provides an extensive background story covering his early ISP startup, HBS experience, and early super angel investments without any friction.6:05–9:02 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Founder Collective's Founder-First Seed Strategy Harry interjects with a brief question about follow-on investments. David details Founder Collective's core strategy of remaining strictly seed-focused to avoid economic conflicts with founders.9:05–12:04 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Evolution as an Investor and Evaluating Teams Harry relays an audience question from Spencer Lazar regarding David's growth as an investor. David reflects thoughtfully on board dynamics and balancing founder assessment with market unit economics.12:04–16:19 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Leveraging Networks and Cultivating Relationships Harry actively probes for actionable networking tactics like hosting dinners or drinks. David gently reframes the question, emphasizing that long-term relationships stem from genuine human curiosity rather than transactional tactics.16:19–20:37 · Harry pushing back 4/10 Unpacking High-Profile Wins: Uber, Coupang, and Founder Naivety After David highlights early investments like Uber and Coupang, Harry challenges him on whether founder naivety can actually be an advantage. David acknowledges his own past naivety while breaking down the volatility trade-offs between technical dreamers and business school founders.20:40–25:46 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Quickfire Round: Idol Investors, Media, Sectors, and PillPack Harry guides a fast-paced quickfire round spanning idol investors, Twitter curation habits, and geographic VC ecosystems. David offers rapid-fire insights on his anti-sector thesis and investments like PillPack.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 19:20 Nuanced reframe of naive founder trope

David pushes back on a simplistic view of founder naivety, explaining that while naive founders can build massive successes like Facebook, they also carry far higher risk and volatility compared to commercial founders.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 19:00 Host challenges founder expertise requirement

Harry directly challenges David's emphasis on founders knowing their subject thoroughly by raising the popular view that naivety allows founders to dream big without regulatory fear.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:19 Explaining VC-founder alignment dynamics

David educates the audience on why leading follow-on rounds creates structural misalignment, transforming VCs into buyers negotiating against their own portfolio founders.

Harry holds his own ▶ 14:50 Pressing for concrete networking tactics

Harry demonstrates interview expertise by pressing David past general philosophical statements to get specific tactics like dinners or outreach methods.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Welcome and Guest Arrival 1100 Harry introduces David Frankel and Founder Collective before asking David to share his career trajectory. David provides an extensive background story covering his early ISP startup, HBS experience, and early super angel investments without any friction.
Founder Collective's Founder-First Seed Strategy 2211 Harry interjects with a brief question about follow-on investments. David details Founder Collective's core strategy of remaining strictly seed-focused to avoid economic conflicts with founders.
Evolution as an Investor and Evaluating Teams 2310 Harry relays an audience question from Spencer Lazar regarding David's growth as an investor. David reflects thoughtfully on board dynamics and balancing founder assessment with market unit economics.
Leveraging Networks and Cultivating Relationships 3212 Harry actively probes for actionable networking tactics like hosting dinners or drinks. David gently reframes the question, emphasizing that long-term relationships stem from genuine human curiosity rather than transactional tactics.
Unpacking High-Profile Wins: Uber, Coupang, and Founder Naivety 4324 After David highlights early investments like Uber and Coupang, Harry challenges him on whether founder naivety can actually be an advantage. David acknowledges his own past naivety while breaking down the volatility trade-offs between technical dreamers and business school founders.
Quickfire Round: Idol Investors, Media, Sectors, and PillPack 3211 Harry guides a fast-paced quickfire round spanning idol investors, Twitter curation habits, and geographic VC ecosystems. David offers rapid-fire insights on his anti-sector thesis and investments like PillPack.

Statements from this episode (5)

Disclosure
Frankel Backed 27 Startups as First or Sole Check Post-HBS
“Within about three years after leaving business school, I backed 27 companies where I was either their first check or their entire check.”
David Frankel Nov 16, 2015 ▶ 4:24
Prediction Held up
Founder Collective Will Never Lead Follow-On Rounds in Fund II
“In our second fund, we will never lead a follow-on.”
David Frankel Nov 16, 2015 ▶ 6:23
Disclosure
PillPack Founder Invited Frankel to Occupy a Common Board Seat
“PillPack, which is a company I'm incredibly excited about that's raised two significant large follow-on, you know, funding rounds where where the founder asked me to take one of the common seats.”
David Frankel Nov 16, 2015 ▶ 8:29
Opinion
Pitching Incremental Startup Ideas to a16z's Chris Dixon Is Wasted Time
“And, you know, in Chris's role, the A-sixteen zine now, he's really looking for kind of total outperformers. You know, it's almost a waste of time to show Chris anything that is incremental.”
David Frankel Nov 16, 2015 ▶ 12:35
Disclosure
Frankel Passed on Two Chris Dixon Startup Ideas Before SiteAdvisor
“Chris pitched me two ideas before site advisor, and I didn't, you know, I didn't love either of them. And ultimately he didn't do either of them.”
David Frankel Nov 16, 2015 ▶ 13:48
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