Aug 26, 2015 · 27m · 20vc

20 VC 066: FOUNDRY GROUP WEEK 1: Seth Levine: 'VC Is Not A Scalable Business'

Seth Levine · 21m spoken Harry Stebbings · 4m spoken
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, Seth Levine, co-founder of Foundry Group, discusses his journey into venture capital, Foundry's lean operational structure, and why VC is an unscalable business. He also shares insights on investing outside Silicon Valley, fund sizing strategy, and emerging technology trends.

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Harry as informed peer 1.6 Guest teaching 2.3 Guest disagreement 0.3 Harry pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:0020:001:32–7:48 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Seth Levine's Early Career and Entry into Venture Capital Seth details his background from college through Wall Street, corporate finance, Mobius Venture Capital, and starting Foundry Group. Harry listens passively, offering only brief interjections and a quick age clarification.7:49–13:13 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 The Genesis and Founding of Foundry Group Harry asks a question from James Altucher regarding whether VCs must be in Silicon Valley to access top deals. Seth explicitly rejects the premise with an unequivocally no, explaining how virtual communities enable non-Valley firms to succeed.13:13–15:39 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Scaling Venture Capital and Operational Efficiency Seth explains that venture capital is fundamentally an unscalable business and details how Foundry avoids hiring associates or forcing monthly board meetings. Harry asks follow-up questions regarding specific operational and calendaring tools.15:39–18:40 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Fund Sizing Strategy and the $225 Million Cap Harry notes Foundry's consistent 225 million fund cap and asks for the story behind that figure. Seth recounts their initial 2007 fundraising challenges and why they committed to keeping fund sizes uniform.18:41–21:12 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Maintaining Motivation Following Major Successes Harry brings a question asking if major financial outcomes like Fitbit lessen the partners' motivation. Seth clarifies that financial security frees investors to work purely out of passion for supporting founders.21:12–24:06 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Future Technology Trends and Investment Themes Seth lays out two major technological themes he is passionate about: software moving further down-market to micro-businesses and innovations in human-machine interaction.24:06–26:41 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Quickfire Round In a quickfire round, Seth shares his top apps, books, and role models, while gently reframing a question on AngelList to explain how syndicates democratize capital rather than disrupt traditional VCs.1:32–7:48 · Guest teaching 1/10 Seth Levine's Early Career and Entry into Venture Capital Seth details his background from college through Wall Street, corporate finance, Mobius Venture Capital, and starting Foundry Group. Harry listens passively, offering only brief interjections and a quick age clarification.7:49–13:13 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Genesis and Founding of Foundry Group Harry asks a question from James Altucher regarding whether VCs must be in Silicon Valley to access top deals. Seth explicitly rejects the premise with an unequivocally no, explaining how virtual communities enable non-Valley firms to succeed.13:13–15:39 · Guest teaching 3/10 Scaling Venture Capital and Operational Efficiency Seth explains that venture capital is fundamentally an unscalable business and details how Foundry avoids hiring associates or forcing monthly board meetings. Harry asks follow-up questions regarding specific operational and calendaring tools.15:39–18:40 · Guest teaching 2/10 Fund Sizing Strategy and the $225 Million Cap Harry notes Foundry's consistent 225 million fund cap and asks for the story behind that figure. Seth recounts their initial 2007 fundraising challenges and why they committed to keeping fund sizes uniform.18:41–21:12 · Guest teaching 2/10 Maintaining Motivation Following Major Successes Harry brings a question asking if major financial outcomes like Fitbit lessen the partners' motivation. Seth clarifies that financial security frees investors to work purely out of passion for supporting founders.21:12–24:06 · Guest teaching 3/10 Future Technology Trends and Investment Themes Seth lays out two major technological themes he is passionate about: software moving further down-market to micro-businesses and innovations in human-machine interaction.24:06–26:41 · Guest teaching 2/10 Quickfire Round In a quickfire round, Seth shares his top apps, books, and role models, while gently reframing a question on AngelList to explain how syndicates democratize capital rather than disrupt traditional VCs.1:32–7:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Seth Levine's Early Career and Entry into Venture Capital Seth details his background from college through Wall Street, corporate finance, Mobius Venture Capital, and starting Foundry Group. Harry listens passively, offering only brief interjections and a quick age clarification.7:49–13:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Genesis and Founding of Foundry Group Harry asks a question from James Altucher regarding whether VCs must be in Silicon Valley to access top deals. Seth explicitly rejects the premise with an unequivocally no, explaining how virtual communities enable non-Valley firms to succeed.13:13–15:39 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Scaling Venture Capital and Operational Efficiency Seth explains that venture capital is fundamentally an unscalable business and details how Foundry avoids hiring associates or forcing monthly board meetings. Harry asks follow-up questions regarding specific operational and calendaring tools.15:39–18:40 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Fund Sizing Strategy and the $225 Million Cap Harry notes Foundry's consistent 225 million fund cap and asks for the story behind that figure. Seth recounts their initial 2007 fundraising challenges and why they committed to keeping fund sizes uniform.18:41–21:12 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Maintaining Motivation Following Major Successes Harry brings a question asking if major financial outcomes like Fitbit lessen the partners' motivation. Seth clarifies that financial security frees investors to work purely out of passion for supporting founders.21:12–24:06 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Future Technology Trends and Investment Themes Seth lays out two major technological themes he is passionate about: software moving further down-market to micro-businesses and innovations in human-machine interaction.24:06–26:41 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Quickfire Round In a quickfire round, Seth shares his top apps, books, and role models, while gently reframing a question on AngelList to explain how syndicates democratize capital rather than disrupt traditional VCs.1:32–7:48 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Seth Levine's Early Career and Entry into Venture Capital Seth details his background from college through Wall Street, corporate finance, Mobius Venture Capital, and starting Foundry Group. Harry listens passively, offering only brief interjections and a quick age clarification.7:49–13:13 · Harry pushing back 0/10 The Genesis and Founding of Foundry Group Harry asks a question from James Altucher regarding whether VCs must be in Silicon Valley to access top deals. Seth explicitly rejects the premise with an unequivocally no, explaining how virtual communities enable non-Valley firms to succeed.13:13–15:39 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Scaling Venture Capital and Operational Efficiency Seth explains that venture capital is fundamentally an unscalable business and details how Foundry avoids hiring associates or forcing monthly board meetings. Harry asks follow-up questions regarding specific operational and calendaring tools.15:39–18:40 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Fund Sizing Strategy and the $225 Million Cap Harry notes Foundry's consistent 225 million fund cap and asks for the story behind that figure. Seth recounts their initial 2007 fundraising challenges and why they committed to keeping fund sizes uniform.18:41–21:12 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Maintaining Motivation Following Major Successes Harry brings a question asking if major financial outcomes like Fitbit lessen the partners' motivation. Seth clarifies that financial security frees investors to work purely out of passion for supporting founders.21:12–24:06 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Future Technology Trends and Investment Themes Seth lays out two major technological themes he is passionate about: software moving further down-market to micro-businesses and innovations in human-machine interaction.24:06–26:41 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Quickfire Round In a quickfire round, Seth shares his top apps, books, and role models, while gently reframing a question on AngelList to explain how syndicates democratize capital rather than disrupt traditional VCs.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 59.1% · guest 40.9%0:00 · Harry 59.1% · guest 40.9%3:00 · Harry 1.7% · guest 98.3%3:00 · Harry 1.7% · guest 98.3%6:00 · Harry 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Harry 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Harry 11.7% · guest 88.3%9:00 · Harry 11.7% · guest 88.3%12:00 · Harry 4.8% · guest 95.2%12:00 · Harry 4.8% · guest 95.2%15:00 · Harry 13.4% · guest 86.6%15:00 · Harry 13.4% · guest 86.6%18:00 · Harry 6.8% · guest 93.2%18:00 · Harry 6.8% · guest 93.2%21:00 · Harry 4.5% · guest 95.5%21:00 · Harry 4.5% · guest 95.5%24:00 · Harry 30.1% · guest 69.9%24:00 · Harry 30.1% · guest 69.9%27:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%27:00 · Harry 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:53 Rejecting Silicon Valley Necessity

When asked if being based outside Silicon Valley deprives a firm of prime deal flow, Seth immediately rejects the premise with an emphatic unequivocally no.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 15:40 Questioning Fund Sizing Strategy

Harry presses Seth on the specific logic behind Foundry's strict $225 million fund cap and asks why that exact figure was chosen.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:23 Explaining Unscalable Nature of VC

Seth educates the host on firm mechanics, explaining why venture capital does not scale and why Foundry deliberately avoids hiring associates.

Harry holds his own ▶ 15:39 Highlighting Fund Sizing Patterns

Harry demonstrates keen industry tracking by identifying Foundry's pattern of capping every fund at exactly $225 million.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Seth Levine's Early Career and Entry into Venture Capital 1100 Seth details his background from college through Wall Street, corporate finance, Mobius Venture Capital, and starting Foundry Group. Harry listens passively, offering only brief interjections and a quick age clarification.
The Genesis and Founding of Foundry Group 2310 Harry asks a question from James Altucher regarding whether VCs must be in Silicon Valley to access top deals. Seth explicitly rejects the premise with an unequivocally no, explaining how virtual communities enable non-Valley firms to succeed.
Scaling Venture Capital and Operational Efficiency 2300 Seth explains that venture capital is fundamentally an unscalable business and details how Foundry avoids hiring associates or forcing monthly board meetings. Harry asks follow-up questions regarding specific operational and calendaring tools.
Fund Sizing Strategy and the $225 Million Cap 2200 Harry notes Foundry's consistent 225 million fund cap and asks for the story behind that figure. Seth recounts their initial 2007 fundraising challenges and why they committed to keeping fund sizes uniform.
Maintaining Motivation Following Major Successes 2200 Harry brings a question asking if major financial outcomes like Fitbit lessen the partners' motivation. Seth clarifies that financial security frees investors to work purely out of passion for supporting founders.
Future Technology Trends and Investment Themes 1300 Seth lays out two major technological themes he is passionate about: software moving further down-market to micro-businesses and innovations in human-machine interaction.
Quickfire Round 1210 In a quickfire round, Seth shares his top apps, books, and role models, while gently reframing a question on AngelList to explain how syndicates democratize capital rather than disrupt traditional VCs.

Statements from this episode (14)

Assertion Supported
Foundry Group Manages Over $1B Across Five Funds
“The Foundry Group now has five funds, four early stage and one growth fund, totalling over one billion in assets.”
Harry Stebbings Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 0:33
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Levine: Brad Feld was the top performer at Mobius Venture Capital
“Brad, of course, had been really the top performer at Mobius and so he was integral in that process”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 8:05
Opinion
Levine: Silicon Valley location is not required for top VC deal flow
“No, unequivocally no, and I think, I hope Foundry would serve as a case study that that's not the case.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 10:01
Disclosure
Levine: Foundry Group allocates only one-third of investments to California
“Only about a third of our investing has been in California. A third has been in, in Colorado, and a third has been spread really across the rest of the US which is our investment, you know, target market, the full US market.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 12:44
Insight
Levine: Venture capital is fundamentally an unscalable business
“Venture capital is not a scalable business by any stretch of the imagination.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 13:23
Assertion Supported
Levine: Foundry Group operates with zero analysts or associates
“We, all the partners do their own work. We don't have any analysts or associates.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 13:36
Opinion
Levine: Monthly board meetings chew up valuable time for startups
“When you have too much time on your hands and maybe a little bit too much proximity in some cases to your investments as a venture capitalist, you have a tendency to feel like you're doing a lot of good by, you know, swinging by for a day, for example, or hold…”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 13:57
Disclosure
Slack and Voxer are Foundry Group's top tools after email
“Slack and Voxer, for example, probably the two most used pieces of technology inside of Foundry after email.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 14:47
Disclosure
Levine invested his entire life savings to launch Foundry Group
“I'd really, I mean, it truly had put up my entire life savings to back my portion of the startup cost for Foundry.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 17:22
Prediction Partly held up
Levine: Foundry Group will cap all future funds at $225M
“We knew that that was going to be the number for the rest of our time as investors, because we'd always said in our fundraising process that we were going to raise a series of funds. They were all going to look exactly the same and in terms of dollar size. And…”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 17:57
Insight
Levine: Financial independence makes founders more passionate, not less
“We sometimes talk about entrepreneurs who've had, you know, had their first win, and maybe they're not as worried about, you know, buying that house that they want, or, you know, the ability to send their kids to college. And in a lot of cases, they become eve…”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 20:26
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Levine: Enterprise software will be rebuilt for small businesses
“There are a lot of technologies that can That have been built for larger businesses that now can be rebuilt for smaller businesses and really impact the U S economy and small businesses and the proprietors of those businesses, their lives in a positive way.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 22:41
Opinion
Levine: AngelList syndicates enhance the traditional VC model
“No, I think that they enhance the traditional VC model, and it's great to see, I talked about the democratization of entrepreneurship, I'm equally excited and passionate about the democratization of capital.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 25:19
Assertion Supported
Levine: Over 30% of web traffic is ad-blocked in some countries
“My most recent investment is a company called SourcePoint, which is helping publishers around the web deal with the fact that 30% or more in some countries that their traffic is ad blocked.”
Seth Levine Aug 26, 2015 ▶ 25:34
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