Aug 12, 2015 · 26m · 20vc

20 VC 062: Shaking Up London's VC Scene with Fede Pirzio-Biroli, Founder @ Playfair Capital

Fede Pirzio-Biroli · 19m spoken Harry Stebbings · 4m spoken
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Fede Pirzio-Biroli, founder of Playfair Capital, discusses his journey from East African NGO aid work to building a agile single-LP venture capital firm in London focused on hands-on founder support, technical recruitment, and emerging market investments.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 18.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Harry as informed peer 2.0 Guest teaching 2.7 Guest disagreement 0.8 Harry pushing back 0.2
05100:0010:0020:001:41–5:37 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Unconventional Background: From NGO Aid Work to Entrepreneurship Fede shares his background working in East African NGOs and aid transparency lobbying, explaining how it led him to favor entrepreneurship over aid. Harry asks standard conversational questions without challenging the guest.5:37–10:19 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Early Angel Investing and the Growth of Playfair Capital Fede gently interrupts Harry's question about raising external capital to clarify that Playfair is structured with himself as both GP and sole LP. He explains how he allocates carry to keep his team incentivized.10:22–15:00 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Investment Strategy, Check Sizes, and Round Flexibility Harry asks about market shifts and prompts Fede on how Playfair competes against passive SEIS tax-incentivized capital. Fede outlines their value-add through providing in-house technical recruiters.15:02–18:47 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 The Role of Warner Yard and Curated Co-Working Spaces Fede details the strategic advantage of owning Warner Yard, highlighting how quiet curation and community rotation like Techstars create a dynamic co-working environment.18:51–22:30 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Identifying Founder Potential: Resourcefulness and Grit Harry cites specific Playfair portfolio companies, leading Fede to describe key traits he looks for in founders, illustrated by stories like the Dojo founders living in the co-working space.22:31–25:20 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Quick-Fire Round: Book Recommendations, African Tech, and Knitten Harry conducts a quick-fire round covering book choices, African tech investing, and recent deals like Knitten in an entirely friendly tone.1:41–5:37 · Guest teaching 3/10 Unconventional Background: From NGO Aid Work to Entrepreneurship Fede shares his background working in East African NGOs and aid transparency lobbying, explaining how it led him to favor entrepreneurship over aid. Harry asks standard conversational questions without challenging the guest.5:37–10:19 · Guest teaching 5/10 Early Angel Investing and the Growth of Playfair Capital Fede gently interrupts Harry's question about raising external capital to clarify that Playfair is structured with himself as both GP and sole LP. He explains how he allocates carry to keep his team incentivized.10:22–15:00 · Guest teaching 3/10 Investment Strategy, Check Sizes, and Round Flexibility Harry asks about market shifts and prompts Fede on how Playfair competes against passive SEIS tax-incentivized capital. Fede outlines their value-add through providing in-house technical recruiters.15:02–18:47 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Role of Warner Yard and Curated Co-Working Spaces Fede details the strategic advantage of owning Warner Yard, highlighting how quiet curation and community rotation like Techstars create a dynamic co-working environment.18:51–22:30 · Guest teaching 2/10 Identifying Founder Potential: Resourcefulness and Grit Harry cites specific Playfair portfolio companies, leading Fede to describe key traits he looks for in founders, illustrated by stories like the Dojo founders living in the co-working space.22:31–25:20 · Guest teaching 1/10 Quick-Fire Round: Book Recommendations, African Tech, and Knitten Harry conducts a quick-fire round covering book choices, African tech investing, and recent deals like Knitten in an entirely friendly tone.1:41–5:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Unconventional Background: From NGO Aid Work to Entrepreneurship Fede shares his background working in East African NGOs and aid transparency lobbying, explaining how it led him to favor entrepreneurship over aid. Harry asks standard conversational questions without challenging the guest.5:37–10:19 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Early Angel Investing and the Growth of Playfair Capital Fede gently interrupts Harry's question about raising external capital to clarify that Playfair is structured with himself as both GP and sole LP. He explains how he allocates carry to keep his team incentivized.10:22–15:00 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Investment Strategy, Check Sizes, and Round Flexibility Harry asks about market shifts and prompts Fede on how Playfair competes against passive SEIS tax-incentivized capital. Fede outlines their value-add through providing in-house technical recruiters.15:02–18:47 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Role of Warner Yard and Curated Co-Working Spaces Fede details the strategic advantage of owning Warner Yard, highlighting how quiet curation and community rotation like Techstars create a dynamic co-working environment.18:51–22:30 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Identifying Founder Potential: Resourcefulness and Grit Harry cites specific Playfair portfolio companies, leading Fede to describe key traits he looks for in founders, illustrated by stories like the Dojo founders living in the co-working space.22:31–25:20 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Quick-Fire Round: Book Recommendations, African Tech, and Knitten Harry conducts a quick-fire round covering book choices, African tech investing, and recent deals like Knitten in an entirely friendly tone.1:41–5:37 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Unconventional Background: From NGO Aid Work to Entrepreneurship Fede shares his background working in East African NGOs and aid transparency lobbying, explaining how it led him to favor entrepreneurship over aid. Harry asks standard conversational questions without challenging the guest.5:37–10:19 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Early Angel Investing and the Growth of Playfair Capital Fede gently interrupts Harry's question about raising external capital to clarify that Playfair is structured with himself as both GP and sole LP. He explains how he allocates carry to keep his team incentivized.10:22–15:00 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Investment Strategy, Check Sizes, and Round Flexibility Harry asks about market shifts and prompts Fede on how Playfair competes against passive SEIS tax-incentivized capital. Fede outlines their value-add through providing in-house technical recruiters.15:02–18:47 · Harry pushing back 0/10 The Role of Warner Yard and Curated Co-Working Spaces Fede details the strategic advantage of owning Warner Yard, highlighting how quiet curation and community rotation like Techstars create a dynamic co-working environment.18:51–22:30 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Identifying Founder Potential: Resourcefulness and Grit Harry cites specific Playfair portfolio companies, leading Fede to describe key traits he looks for in founders, illustrated by stories like the Dojo founders living in the co-working space.22:31–25:20 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Quick-Fire Round: Book Recommendations, African Tech, and Knitten Harry conducts a quick-fire round covering book choices, African tech investing, and recent deals like Knitten in an entirely friendly tone.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 66.1% · guest 33.9%0:00 · Harry 66.1% · guest 33.9%3:00 · Harry 1.6% · guest 98.4%3:00 · Harry 1.6% · guest 98.4%6:00 · Harry 6.5% · guest 93.5%6:00 · Harry 6.5% · guest 93.5%9:00 · Harry 14.9% · guest 85.1%9:00 · Harry 14.9% · guest 85.1%12:00 · Harry 2.1% · guest 97.9%12:00 · Harry 2.1% · guest 97.9%15:00 · Harry 11.5% · guest 88.5%15:00 · Harry 11.5% · guest 88.5%18:00 · Harry 8.1% · guest 91.9%18:00 · Harry 8.1% · guest 91.9%21:00 · Harry 8.5% · guest 91.5%21:00 · Harry 8.5% · guest 91.5%24:00 · Harry 58.8% · guest 41.2%24:00 · Harry 58.8% · guest 41.2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:38 Interrupting to correct fund structure

Fede halts Harry mid-question to correct his assumption that Playfair had to raise external capital, establishing that he is the sole LP.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 13:45 Pressing on differentiation from SEIS

Harry pushes Fede to explain how Playfair actually sets itself apart from the influx of passive SEIS funds in London.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:38 Educating host on single-LP carry mechanics

Fede reframes the premise of the question by explaining the specific legal and carry structure of a single-LP venture firm.

Harry holds his own ▶ 11:16 Framing London seed market evolution

Harry demonstrates sector familiarity by contextualizing how dramatically the London early-stage investment market has changed since 2011.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Unconventional Background: From NGO Aid Work to Entrepreneurship 1310 Fede shares his background working in East African NGOs and aid transparency lobbying, explaining how it led him to favor entrepreneurship over aid. Harry asks standard conversational questions without challenging the guest.
Early Angel Investing and the Growth of Playfair Capital 1520 Fede gently interrupts Harry's question about raising external capital to clarify that Playfair is structured with himself as both GP and sole LP. He explains how he allocates carry to keep his team incentivized.
Investment Strategy, Check Sizes, and Round Flexibility 3311 Harry asks about market shifts and prompts Fede on how Playfair competes against passive SEIS tax-incentivized capital. Fede outlines their value-add through providing in-house technical recruiters.
The Role of Warner Yard and Curated Co-Working Spaces 2210 Fede details the strategic advantage of owning Warner Yard, highlighting how quiet curation and community rotation like Techstars create a dynamic co-working environment.
Identifying Founder Potential: Resourcefulness and Grit 3200 Harry cites specific Playfair portfolio companies, leading Fede to describe key traits he looks for in founders, illustrated by stories like the Dojo founders living in the co-working space.
Quick-Fire Round: Book Recommendations, African Tech, and Knitten 2100 Harry conducts a quick-fire round covering book choices, African tech investing, and recent deals like Knitten in an entirely friendly tone.

Statements from this episode (13)

Insight
Pirzio-Biroli: NGO jobs siphon talent away from entrepreneurship in developing economies
“Every single one of them that gets kind of attracted to going to work for an NGO comes at the opportunity cost of not becoming an entrepreneur. And actually, small business and entrepreneurship is what grows an economy. That's what contributes to GDP. That's w…”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 4:45
Prediction Held up
Pirzio-Biroli plans to expand Playfair Capital into Sub-Saharan Africa
“I started deploying capital here and not in, in the, kind of, in, in emerging economies, but that was more, kind of, to cut my teeth with a view to go and become operational in Sub-Saharan Africa later on.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 5:20
Disclosure
Pirzio-Biroli funded early angel investments by selling family business shares
“Yes, yes, from my own funds, from funds that I'd sold basically from shares that I'd sold in the family business that I was admittedly very fortunate enough to have available to me.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 6:16
Disclosure
Playfair Capital is structured with founder Fede Pirzio-Biroli as sole LP
“So when, so today, Playfair Capital is a limited liability partnership. So it is a venture capital firm in every sense of the word, legally speaking as well. But it's a venture capital firm which doesn't have the usual motivations and incentives of venture cap…”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 7:43
Disclosure
Playfair Capital allocates 80% carry to Pirzio-Biroli and 20% to team
“And I think, you know, if we look, if kind of, if I changed my thinking from that of an angel to thinking about things more within the fund structure under the current arrangement, just like a standard fund, which has, you know, 80% of the carry going to LPs a…”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 9:10
Disclosure
Playfair Capital writes average seed checks of £200,000 to £250,000
“So the average ticket size is somewhere between 202 150 K.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 10:29
Insight
Pirzio-Biroli: VCs do just as much operational work for smaller checks
“Practically speaking, we always end up doing just as much work for smaller Ticket sizes. So, so it really doesn't make sense to do things kind of below that.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 10:36
Opinion
Pirzio-Biroli: SEIS tax relief flooded London startups with unsmart capital
“SEIS has, you know, has really come into its stride since 2011, and basically, you know, created a whole new pot of capital, which is you know, sometimes not motivated to deploy the capital for the right reasons. They're seeing it as a de-risked investment. An…”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 13:09
Disclosure
Playfair Capital provides portfolio startups with a free in-house technical recruiter
“We've taken on a head of talent who was formerly at Facebook and Google before that, who's a technical recruiter. And we are deploying them amongst portfolio companies to hire CTOs, front-end, back-end, full-stack devs entirely engineering-focused at our cost …”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 14:23
Insight
Pirzio-Biroli: Co-working spaces stop making economic sense beyond 15 employees
“It makes sense until, you know, you're about 15 people, roughly. And then it becomes kind of, you know, and then organically it starts making sense, economically, to move into a space of your own.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 17:39
Assertion Supported
Pirzio-Biroli: VCs pay higher valuations for serial entrepreneurs
“Investors often pay more for serial entrepreneurs, people who have been through kind of ups and downs, hiring, firing you know, the pains of having to Having to wind a company down.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 19:31
Insight
Pirzio-Biroli: Converting leads without capital signals post-funding success
“Versatility and demonstrating kind of demonstrating, you know, Kind of effectively outreaching to people and converting, converting leads with no money really translates as something positive once funding comes around.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 22:10
Disclosure
Playfair Capital holds active investments in two Kenyan and two Nigerian startups
“We, I, so we now have two companies in Kenya two companies in Nigeria And we're looking at more and more.”
Fede Pirzio-Biroli Aug 12, 2015 ▶ 23:10
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