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May 10, 2023 · 1h 10m · 20sales

20Sales: How to Scale a Career While Scaling a Family; Work-Life Balance; Parental Leave | E1012 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Maggie Hott · 15m spoken Harry Stebbings · 11m spoken Lauren Schwartz · 10m spoken Stevie Case · 9m spoken Julie Maresca · 8m spoken Jessica Arnold · 6m spoken Reina Gupta · 4m spoken
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In this special milestone episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings leads an inspiring roundtable with six prominent female sales executives and working mothers. The panel shares practical strategies for overcoming parental guilt, advocating for progressive parental leave, and leveraging motherhood as an executive superpower.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 18% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Harry as informed peer 2.3 Guest teaching 3.2 Guest disagreement 1.3 Harry pushing back 2.2
05100:0015:0030:0045:001:00:000:00–4:35 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Introductions and the Best Parts of Being a Working Mother Harry opens the podcast with rapid-fire introductions, asking each guest to introduce themselves and share the best part of being a working mother. The atmosphere is warm and collaborative, with the host serving purely as an enthusiastic moderator without pushing back or offering domain expertise.4:35–17:46 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Strategies for Work-Life Balance and Managing Parental Guilt Guests share practical strategies for maintaining work-life balance, delegating tasks, and overcoming parental guilt. Harry asks inquisitive follow-up questions about protecting personal outlets and supporting team members, accepting all guest perspectives without challenge.17:46–26:58 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 The Superpowers and Challenges of Motherhood in Sales Leadership The panel explores the advantages and challenges of motherhood in sales leadership. Harry introduces a slight pushback by questioning whether corporate culture truly permits leaders to admit operating at 70% capacity to their CEOs, prompting Julie to reframe the dynamics of trust and earning the right to express vulnerability.26:58–36:11 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Overcoming Career Challenges and Embracing Vulnerability Stevie details her transition from hiding her single motherhood to embracing open vulnerability at work. Harry offers a counter-perspective, asking whether vulnerability is merely a luxury afforded to already successful leaders, which Stevie constructively reframes as a duty for leaders to establish psychological safety for others.36:11–50:13 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Parental Leave Policies and Advocating for Corporate Reform Maggie and Lauren break down parental leave reforms, DEI implications, and variable sales commissions during leave. Harry pushes back as a devil's advocate regarding mandatory paternity leave, questioning if men should be forced to take leave if they prefer to work, leading Maggie to articulate the economic and cultural necessity of equal leave.50:13–1:06:35 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 The Crucial Role of Mentorship, Allyship, and Inclusivity The discussion shifts to mentorship, non-negotiable personal boundaries, and corporate inclusivity practices. Harry self-interrogates his own policy of mandating in-office attendance, with Maggie clarifying that flexibility within office requirements is essential for working caregivers.0:00–4:35 · Guest teaching 1/10 Introductions and the Best Parts of Being a Working Mother Harry opens the podcast with rapid-fire introductions, asking each guest to introduce themselves and share the best part of being a working mother. The atmosphere is warm and collaborative, with the host serving purely as an enthusiastic moderator without pushing back or offering domain expertise.4:35–17:46 · Guest teaching 3/10 Strategies for Work-Life Balance and Managing Parental Guilt Guests share practical strategies for maintaining work-life balance, delegating tasks, and overcoming parental guilt. Harry asks inquisitive follow-up questions about protecting personal outlets and supporting team members, accepting all guest perspectives without challenge.17:46–26:58 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Superpowers and Challenges of Motherhood in Sales Leadership The panel explores the advantages and challenges of motherhood in sales leadership. Harry introduces a slight pushback by questioning whether corporate culture truly permits leaders to admit operating at 70% capacity to their CEOs, prompting Julie to reframe the dynamics of trust and earning the right to express vulnerability.26:58–36:11 · Guest teaching 4/10 Overcoming Career Challenges and Embracing Vulnerability Stevie details her transition from hiding her single motherhood to embracing open vulnerability at work. Harry offers a counter-perspective, asking whether vulnerability is merely a luxury afforded to already successful leaders, which Stevie constructively reframes as a duty for leaders to establish psychological safety for others.36:11–50:13 · Guest teaching 5/10 Parental Leave Policies and Advocating for Corporate Reform Maggie and Lauren break down parental leave reforms, DEI implications, and variable sales commissions during leave. Harry pushes back as a devil's advocate regarding mandatory paternity leave, questioning if men should be forced to take leave if they prefer to work, leading Maggie to articulate the economic and cultural necessity of equal leave.50:13–1:06:35 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Crucial Role of Mentorship, Allyship, and Inclusivity The discussion shifts to mentorship, non-negotiable personal boundaries, and corporate inclusivity practices. Harry self-interrogates his own policy of mandating in-office attendance, with Maggie clarifying that flexibility within office requirements is essential for working caregivers.0:00–4:35 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Introductions and the Best Parts of Being a Working Mother Harry opens the podcast with rapid-fire introductions, asking each guest to introduce themselves and share the best part of being a working mother. The atmosphere is warm and collaborative, with the host serving purely as an enthusiastic moderator without pushing back or offering domain expertise.4:35–17:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Strategies for Work-Life Balance and Managing Parental Guilt Guests share practical strategies for maintaining work-life balance, delegating tasks, and overcoming parental guilt. Harry asks inquisitive follow-up questions about protecting personal outlets and supporting team members, accepting all guest perspectives without challenge.17:46–26:58 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Superpowers and Challenges of Motherhood in Sales Leadership The panel explores the advantages and challenges of motherhood in sales leadership. Harry introduces a slight pushback by questioning whether corporate culture truly permits leaders to admit operating at 70% capacity to their CEOs, prompting Julie to reframe the dynamics of trust and earning the right to express vulnerability.26:58–36:11 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Overcoming Career Challenges and Embracing Vulnerability Stevie details her transition from hiding her single motherhood to embracing open vulnerability at work. Harry offers a counter-perspective, asking whether vulnerability is merely a luxury afforded to already successful leaders, which Stevie constructively reframes as a duty for leaders to establish psychological safety for others.36:11–50:13 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Parental Leave Policies and Advocating for Corporate Reform Maggie and Lauren break down parental leave reforms, DEI implications, and variable sales commissions during leave. Harry pushes back as a devil's advocate regarding mandatory paternity leave, questioning if men should be forced to take leave if they prefer to work, leading Maggie to articulate the economic and cultural necessity of equal leave.50:13–1:06:35 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Crucial Role of Mentorship, Allyship, and Inclusivity The discussion shifts to mentorship, non-negotiable personal boundaries, and corporate inclusivity practices. Harry self-interrogates his own policy of mandating in-office attendance, with Maggie clarifying that flexibility within office requirements is essential for working caregivers.0:00–4:35 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Introductions and the Best Parts of Being a Working Mother Harry opens the podcast with rapid-fire introductions, asking each guest to introduce themselves and share the best part of being a working mother. The atmosphere is warm and collaborative, with the host serving purely as an enthusiastic moderator without pushing back or offering domain expertise.4:35–17:46 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Strategies for Work-Life Balance and Managing Parental Guilt Guests share practical strategies for maintaining work-life balance, delegating tasks, and overcoming parental guilt. Harry asks inquisitive follow-up questions about protecting personal outlets and supporting team members, accepting all guest perspectives without challenge.17:46–26:58 · Harry pushing back 3/10 The Superpowers and Challenges of Motherhood in Sales Leadership The panel explores the advantages and challenges of motherhood in sales leadership. Harry introduces a slight pushback by questioning whether corporate culture truly permits leaders to admit operating at 70% capacity to their CEOs, prompting Julie to reframe the dynamics of trust and earning the right to express vulnerability.26:58–36:11 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Overcoming Career Challenges and Embracing Vulnerability Stevie details her transition from hiding her single motherhood to embracing open vulnerability at work. Harry offers a counter-perspective, asking whether vulnerability is merely a luxury afforded to already successful leaders, which Stevie constructively reframes as a duty for leaders to establish psychological safety for others.36:11–50:13 · Harry pushing back 4/10 Parental Leave Policies and Advocating for Corporate Reform Maggie and Lauren break down parental leave reforms, DEI implications, and variable sales commissions during leave. Harry pushes back as a devil's advocate regarding mandatory paternity leave, questioning if men should be forced to take leave if they prefer to work, leading Maggie to articulate the economic and cultural necessity of equal leave.50:13–1:06:35 · Harry pushing back 2/10 The Crucial Role of Mentorship, Allyship, and Inclusivity The discussion shifts to mentorship, non-negotiable personal boundaries, and corporate inclusivity practices. Harry self-interrogates his own policy of mandating in-office attendance, with Maggie clarifying that flexibility within office requirements is essential for working caregivers.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 28.8% · guest 71.2%0:00 · Harry 28.8% · guest 71.2%3:00 · Harry 14.8% · guest 85.2%3:00 · Harry 14.8% · guest 85.2%6:00 · Harry 2.8% · guest 97.2%6:00 · Harry 2.8% · guest 97.2%9:00 · Harry 26.1% · guest 73.9%9:00 · Harry 26.1% · guest 73.9%12:00 · Harry 27.9% · guest 72.1%12:00 · Harry 27.9% · guest 72.1%15:00 · Harry 22.3% · guest 77.7%15:00 · Harry 22.3% · guest 77.7%18:00 · Harry 6.8% · guest 93.2%18:00 · Harry 6.8% · guest 93.2%21:00 · Harry 32.5% · guest 67.5%21:00 · Harry 32.5% · guest 67.5%24:00 · Harry 18.9% · guest 81.1%24:00 · Harry 18.9% · guest 81.1%27:00 · Harry 11.3% · guest 88.7%27:00 · Harry 11.3% · guest 88.7%30:00 · Harry 19.5% · guest 80.5%30:00 · Harry 19.5% · guest 80.5%33:00 · Harry 7% · guest 93%33:00 · Harry 7% · guest 93%36:00 · Harry 14.6% · guest 85.4%36:00 · Harry 14.6% · guest 85.4%39:00 · Harry 20% · guest 80%39:00 · Harry 20% · guest 80%42:00 · Harry 14.5% · guest 85.5%42:00 · Harry 14.5% · guest 85.5%45:00 · Harry 3.3% · guest 96.7%45:00 · Harry 3.3% · guest 96.7%48:00 · Harry 24.7% · guest 75.3%48:00 · Harry 24.7% · guest 75.3%51:00 · Harry 11% · guest 89%51:00 · Harry 11% · guest 89%54:00 · Harry 26.4% · guest 73.6%54:00 · Harry 26.4% · guest 73.6%57:00 · Harry 15.3% · guest 84.7%57:00 · Harry 15.3% · guest 84.7%1:00:00 · Harry 21.4% · guest 78.6%1:00:00 · Harry 21.4% · guest 78.6%1:03:00 · Harry 13.9% · guest 86.1%1:03:00 · Harry 13.9% · guest 86.1%1:06:00 · Harry 24.4% · guest 75.6%1:06:00 · Harry 24.4% · guest 75.6%1:09:00 · Harry 30.8% · guest 69.2%1:09:00 · Harry 30.8% · guest 69.2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 39:13 Countering the Premise on Paternity Leave

Maggie firmly rejects Harry's suggestion that men would naturally want to skip parental leave, laying out the systemic and economic reasons why mandatory equal leave is required to protect mothers from workplace penalties.

 Hardest push from Harry ▶ 30:50 Challenging Vulnerability as an Executive Luxury

Harry explicitly refuses Stevie's premise that workplace vulnerability is easy or universal, arguing from personal experience that being open about flaws is a privilege reserved for established, top-performing leaders.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 31:24 Reframing Vulnerability as Leadership Duty

Stevie educates Harry on leadership dynamics, explaining that vulnerability is not just a luxury for the successful but an active obligation leaders owe to junior employees to grant them permission to be human.

 Harry holds his own ▶ 25:28 Pressing on High-Stakes Corporate Culture

Harry draws on his knowledge of executive pressures to challenge Julie, arguing that standard corporate leadership environments remain unsupportive of executives admitting they are performing below full capacity.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Introductions and the Best Parts of Being a Working Mother 1100 Harry opens the podcast with rapid-fire introductions, asking each guest to introduce themselves and share the best part of being a working mother. The atmosphere is warm and collaborative, with the host serving purely as an enthusiastic moderator without pushing back or offering domain expertise.
Strategies for Work-Life Balance and Managing Parental Guilt 2311 Guests share practical strategies for maintaining work-life balance, delegating tasks, and overcoming parental guilt. Harry asks inquisitive follow-up questions about protecting personal outlets and supporting team members, accepting all guest perspectives without challenge.
The Superpowers and Challenges of Motherhood in Sales Leadership 3313 The panel explores the advantages and challenges of motherhood in sales leadership. Harry introduces a slight pushback by questioning whether corporate culture truly permits leaders to admit operating at 70% capacity to their CEOs, prompting Julie to reframe the dynamics of trust and earning the right to express vulnerability.
Overcoming Career Challenges and Embracing Vulnerability 3423 Stevie details her transition from hiding her single motherhood to embracing open vulnerability at work. Harry offers a counter-perspective, asking whether vulnerability is merely a luxury afforded to already successful leaders, which Stevie constructively reframes as a duty for leaders to establish psychological safety for others.
Parental Leave Policies and Advocating for Corporate Reform 3534 Maggie and Lauren break down parental leave reforms, DEI implications, and variable sales commissions during leave. Harry pushes back as a devil's advocate regarding mandatory paternity leave, questioning if men should be forced to take leave if they prefer to work, leading Maggie to articulate the economic and cultural necessity of equal leave.
The Crucial Role of Mentorship, Allyship, and Inclusivity 2312 The discussion shifts to mentorship, non-negotiable personal boundaries, and corporate inclusivity practices. Harry self-interrogates his own policy of mandating in-office attendance, with Maggie clarifying that flexibility within office requirements is essential for working caregivers.

Statements from this episode (11)

Insight
Stevie Case: Single Motherhood Built Her Executive Superpowers of Focus and Intentionality
“The best part is really what started as the worst part, which was the forced intentionality and the focus that you have to have as a parent. I was forced to develop it as a single mom when she was very young, and now I think it's probably really, truly one of …”
Stevie Case May 10, 2023 ▶ 1:29
Insight
Lauren Schwartz: Working mothers must dedicate time weekly to non-caregiving outlets
“Find an activity that's just yours. A creative outlet that fills your cup and doesn't require you to take care of anyone else, even for just three hours a week, because we spend the rest of our lives caring for our families, caring for our teams, and the only …”
Lauren Schwartz May 10, 2023 ▶ 12:21
Insight
Reina Gupta: Working mothers excel at time efficiency and qualifying sales leads
“I believe that working parents, working moms, working... Very, very efficient with our time, and we're very good at qualifying out, which is obviously a huge you know, pro as being a salesperson.”
Reina Gupta May 10, 2023 ▶ 18:32
Insight
Stevie Case: Showing vulnerability gives sales prospects permission to be imperfect
“When you're selling to people, you're selling to humans, and if you are vulnerable, and you show your weaknesses, and you show all aspects of your humanity, you actually give the other person permission to also not be perfect”
Stevie Case May 10, 2023 ▶ 30:05
What-if
Maggie Hott: Career trajectory depended on taking Slack leadership role while pregnant
“I can very confidently say my career would not be where it is today if I hadn't gone for this job, and if I hadn't gotten that job”
Maggie Hott May 10, 2023 ▶ 35:29
Assertion Supported
Lauren Schwartz: Google used double-crediting sales commissions for parental leave
“When I was at Google, there was a double conch policy. So everyone wins and everyone's incentivized around the same thing.”
Lauren Schwartz May 10, 2023 ▶ 49:45
Insight
Lauren Schwartz: Professionals must personally build their own mentorship board
“You have to take responsibility for designing that personal board of directors. It's not something that's going to be handed to you.”
Lauren Schwartz May 10, 2023 ▶ 53:54
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Maggie Hott: Established pregnancy support employee channels at Slack and Webflow
“So something that we had at Slack that I then brought over to Webflow and created was a pregnancy support channel.”
Maggie Hott May 10, 2023 ▶ 1:03:42
Assertion Supported
Harry Stebbings mandates in-office work at 20VC, citing higher productivity
“I made it like mandatory that we're all back in office again. I just think we're so much more productive in office.”
Harry Stebbings May 10, 2023 ▶ 1:05:30
Insight
Lauren Schwartz: Deliver results to earn leverage for custom workplace accommodations
“My advice is to earn the right to ask for what you need to be successful, and if that's a more flexible travel schedule or a milk stork service while you're on the road, ask for it, and set them online for yourself and for your team for what success looks like…”
Lauren Schwartz May 10, 2023 ▶ 1:07:26
Insight
Stevie Case: Working parents should never apologize for routine family commitments
“Don't apologize for yourself because you're always going to have other commitments, things you need to leave for. Your child is going to show up on camera during Zoom calls. It's going to happen. You really do not need to apologize for that. Part of normalizin…”
Stevie Case May 10, 2023 ▶ 1:09:13

Shorts cut from this episode

▶ America’s 💩 Parental Leave Policy 🤰 · 20VC with Harry Steb (@39:38) ▶ Women in Sales: How We Balance Work & Family 🚺 · 20VC with (@4:30)
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