Nathan Lambert, AI research scientist at Ai2, responds to AI pioneer Rich Sutton's argument that pre-training on human text is a flawed approach compared to pure reinforcement learning.
“Rich is a font of wonderful ideas, but Often not ones that are going to be immediately practical. This is how you get things like creating reinforcement learning, but not necessarily things that are going to impact what GPT six is.”
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“This base model is similar in quality to the best available, which is like Quinn's 2.5, 32 B is, was still the best base model.”
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“And I just think of this cause like Lama 3.1 AP is one of the most used models and hugging base of all time. And this should be better. We're, In our measurements, we see it as being better than Llama.”
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