Dec 5, 2013 · 21m · mad

Hilary Mason // Data Driven NYC 20 // Nov 2013

Hilary Mason · 16m spoken Matt Turck · 26s spoken Alex Zoff · 23s spoken Nick Peck · 7s spoken
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At a Data Driven NYC event, data scientist Hilary Mason delivers a structured presentation on organizational data science, offering practical frameworks for team building, project prioritization, and analysis before engaging in an audience Q&A.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Matt holds 2.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Matt as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 6.5 Guest disagreement 0.8 Matt pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:0020:002:01–5:57 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Defining Companies and Data Science Infrastructure Hilary delivers a presentation outlining data science roles and defining the data science team dynamic as a superhero ensemble of varied skills. The host does not speak during this monologue segment, requiring zero host expertise or pushback scores.5:57–10:16 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Core Responsibilities of Data Science Roles Hilary breaks down core responsibilities of data teams and categorizes project analysis into immediate needs, well-understood metrics, and speculative future-building. The segment is entirely a presentation monologue without host intervention.10:16–13:14 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Five-Question Framework for Project Prioritization Hilary shares a structured four-question framework for project prioritization and introduces the thought exercise of asking what an evil dictator would do with the product. As a monologue presentation, host metrics remain at zero.13:14–21:52 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Data Gotham Conference Announcement and Conclusion Matt Turck acts strictly as an event moderator taking audience Q&A while Hilary answers questions about unexplainable algorithms, team structures, and data democratization. Hilary shows slight pushback to an audience premise when she firmly rejects unexplainable black-box models.2:01–5:57 · Guest teaching 6/10 Defining Companies and Data Science Infrastructure Hilary delivers a presentation outlining data science roles and defining the data science team dynamic as a superhero ensemble of varied skills. The host does not speak during this monologue segment, requiring zero host expertise or pushback scores.5:57–10:16 · Guest teaching 6/10 Core Responsibilities of Data Science Roles Hilary breaks down core responsibilities of data teams and categorizes project analysis into immediate needs, well-understood metrics, and speculative future-building. The segment is entirely a presentation monologue without host intervention.10:16–13:14 · Guest teaching 7/10 Five-Question Framework for Project Prioritization Hilary shares a structured four-question framework for project prioritization and introduces the thought exercise of asking what an evil dictator would do with the product. As a monologue presentation, host metrics remain at zero.13:14–21:52 · Guest teaching 7/10 Data Gotham Conference Announcement and Conclusion Matt Turck acts strictly as an event moderator taking audience Q&A while Hilary answers questions about unexplainable algorithms, team structures, and data democratization. Hilary shows slight pushback to an audience premise when she firmly rejects unexplainable black-box models.2:01–5:57 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Defining Companies and Data Science Infrastructure Hilary delivers a presentation outlining data science roles and defining the data science team dynamic as a superhero ensemble of varied skills. The host does not speak during this monologue segment, requiring zero host expertise or pushback scores.5:57–10:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Core Responsibilities of Data Science Roles Hilary breaks down core responsibilities of data teams and categorizes project analysis into immediate needs, well-understood metrics, and speculative future-building. The segment is entirely a presentation monologue without host intervention.10:16–13:14 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Five-Question Framework for Project Prioritization Hilary shares a structured four-question framework for project prioritization and introduces the thought exercise of asking what an evil dictator would do with the product. As a monologue presentation, host metrics remain at zero.13:14–21:52 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Data Gotham Conference Announcement and Conclusion Matt Turck acts strictly as an event moderator taking audience Q&A while Hilary answers questions about unexplainable algorithms, team structures, and data democratization. Hilary shows slight pushback to an audience premise when she firmly rejects unexplainable black-box models.2:01–5:57 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Defining Companies and Data Science Infrastructure Hilary delivers a presentation outlining data science roles and defining the data science team dynamic as a superhero ensemble of varied skills. The host does not speak during this monologue segment, requiring zero host expertise or pushback scores.5:57–10:16 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Core Responsibilities of Data Science Roles Hilary breaks down core responsibilities of data teams and categorizes project analysis into immediate needs, well-understood metrics, and speculative future-building. The segment is entirely a presentation monologue without host intervention.10:16–13:14 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Five-Question Framework for Project Prioritization Hilary shares a structured four-question framework for project prioritization and introduces the thought exercise of asking what an evil dictator would do with the product. As a monologue presentation, host metrics remain at zero.13:14–21:52 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Data Gotham Conference Announcement and Conclusion Matt Turck acts strictly as an event moderator taking audience Q&A while Hilary answers questions about unexplainable algorithms, team structures, and data democratization. Hilary shows slight pushback to an audience premise when she firmly rejects unexplainable black-box models.

speaking balance: gold is Matt, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Matt 10.6% · guest 89.4%0:00 · Matt 10.6% · guest 89.4%3:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Matt 4.6% · guest 95.4%12:00 · Matt 4.6% · guest 95.4%15:00 · Matt 1.8% · guest 98.2%15:00 · Matt 1.8% · guest 98.2%18:00 · Matt 1.6% · guest 98.4%18:00 · Matt 1.6% · guest 98.4%21:00 · Matt 7.5% · guest 92.5%21:00 · Matt 7.5% · guest 92.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 17:07 Firm rejection of opaque algorithms

When asked if using an unexplainable algorithm is acceptable, Hilary flatly rejects the premise, stating that not understanding system behavior leads to severe problems in startup environments.

Hardest push from Matt ▶ 17:57 Host enforcing Q&A decorum

Matt Turck briefly interrupts an audience questioner to enforce event rules, asking him to state his name and company before asking his question.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 11:55 Framework for prioritizing data initiatives

Hilary educates the audience on managing data science teams by asking how an evil dictator might use a feature to stretch creative problem solving outside product boundaries.

Matt holds his own ▶ 14:19 Host facilitating seamless audience transition

Matt Turck efficiently transitions from the presentation to audience Q&A, taking control of the room logistics.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicMatt as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementMatt pushing backWhy
Defining Companies and Data Science Infrastructure 0600 Hilary delivers a presentation outlining data science roles and defining the data science team dynamic as a superhero ensemble of varied skills. The host does not speak during this monologue segment, requiring zero host expertise or pushback scores.
Core Responsibilities of Data Science Roles 0600 Hilary breaks down core responsibilities of data teams and categorizes project analysis into immediate needs, well-understood metrics, and speculative future-building. The segment is entirely a presentation monologue without host intervention.
Five-Question Framework for Project Prioritization 0710 Hilary shares a structured four-question framework for project prioritization and introduces the thought exercise of asking what an evil dictator would do with the product. As a monologue presentation, host metrics remain at zero.
Data Gotham Conference Announcement and Conclusion 0720 Matt Turck acts strictly as an event moderator taking audience Q&A while Hilary answers questions about unexplainable algorithms, team structures, and data democratization. Hilary shows slight pushback to an audience premise when she firmly rejects unexplainable black-box models.

Statements from this episode (14)

Insight
Mason: Complex corporate data problems are either technical or organizational
“Mostly I just sort of talk to companies that have interesting or hard data problems, and those data problems tend to take two forms. They tend to be either highly technical You know, hours of whiteboarding infrastructure and coming up with ideas and that's rea…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 1:07
Insight
Mason: A company is infrastructure deployed to scale beyond oneself
“A company is a piece of infrastructure that you can deploy when you need to scale something beyond yourself.”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 2:50
Insight
Hilary Mason: Data science deserves its own title combining math, code, and communication
“Data scientists as a job does deserve its own job title because these three things in one professional is new.”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 3:56
Disclosure
Mason: The vast majority of math in data science is quite simple
“So at least in my practice of data science, the vast majority of the math we did was quite simple.”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 4:11
Insight
Mason: Data engineering designs systems dependent on flowing data
“Data infrastructure. Or data engineering, which is the engineering of systems where the design of the system itself is dependent on the nature of the data that flows through it”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 7:07
Disclosure
Hilary Mason: Bitly derived top data questions from support teams
“At Bitly we got some of our best questions through our tech support and our community team.”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 9:17
Insight
Hilary Mason: Data analysts should investigate areas where intuition fails
“Generally, look for places where intuition fails. That is, ah, your company, your product, your data, you should have a good sense of what you would expect. And yet, when you see something in it that doesn't meet your expectations, ah, that's probably an indic…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 9:30
Insight
Mason: Forcing teams to admit informal error metrics motivates analytical rigor
“And if there are no error metrics that we are planning to use initially you know, we might be working on something like a recommendation algorithm. And the error metric for the first version is, it looks good to me. You at least have to admit that in public, i…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 11:21
Insight
Mason: Data projects must prove immediate relevance to business goals
“Assuming we can solve this perfectly, what is the first thing we'll do with it that makes sure it has immediate relevance to the product, or the business, or the system you're building? Because there are a lot of super cool ideas that do not tie directly to th…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 11:43
Insight
Mason: Asking how an evil dictator would use product sparks creative ideas
“So if you ask this question, like, if we put this thing in the hands of an evil dictator, ah, what would they do with it? Ah, it's a way to get people to sort of brainstorm and come up with crazy ideas for it, some of which might actually be good.”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 13:00
Disclosure
Mason balances data teams with one predictable and one speculative project
“And in terms of the day-to-day management, I'd like to make sure everyone who I work with has both, you know, one sort of longer-term, more well-understood problem, and then one problem they can work on when they're really excited, ah, that's a little bit, as …”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 15:32
Insight
Hilary Mason: Startups must understand how their machine learning models work
“Won't speak for the large companies or people who are working on very specific problems, but when you're generally building systems that in a startup environment, it's really important to understand why your system is doing the thing it's doing, or else it's g…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 17:20
Insight
Hilary Mason: Separating R&D from product rarely works for tech companies
“I have seen companies that successfully separate, ah, research and development as long as everyone still eats lunch together but generally that doesn't seem to be a great approach in that you eventually end up with a research department off in the corner publi…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 18:52
Insight
Mason: Relying on peers for data hurts efficiency; build self-serve dashboards
“Whenever somebody has to ask someone else for a piece of information to get their job done, it really makes everybody much less effective. So if you see people asking for the same kinds of information, there should be dashboards or a way that they can access i…”
Hilary Mason Dec 5, 2013 ▶ 20:08
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